<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">True enough--all it takes is a brush and a bit of paint to upgrade that "penny plain".</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">Hmm, I disagree with myself. Even with evidence of two intentional issues, the cataloger is unlikely to know if the hand-colored map in front of her was done by
the workshop or arranged by an owner. Which makes the bar of evidence so high as to make the creation of two descriptions virtually "never."
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 14:13<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chet Van Duzer</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">Having recently attended a two-day conference on hand-colored maps and prints, I'm fairly confident about two things. One, that publishers sometimes issued groups
of copies hand-colored and the rest uncolored, just the way a publisher may issue ordinary and large-paper issues. And, that it is usually impossible for the cataloger to know whether it was issued that way unless someone or something tells them. In Jeffrey's
example, the two prices makes it clear. Otherwise, you'd have to depend on research.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">One conference paper was on hand-coloring of the 1513 edition of Ptolemy's
</span><i><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#365f91">Geographia</span></i><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#365f91">. Chet Van Duzer found over 30 hand-colored copies. Of those roughly a third displayed the
same coloring scheme, while the remaining 2/3 were all different from each other. The conclusion that the publisher issued both hand-colored and non-colored copies, and that the colored copies were a mix of workshop and individual coloring. During the course
of two days, we saw many images of different hand-colored copies of the same prints, and they nearly always were very different from each other. As I recall, only in Chet's presentation was there any evidence of workshop coloring.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i>think</i> I support creating two descriptions when it is known that the publisher produced two different "consciously planned publishing units," but only if the cataloger is quite certain, such as when different prices for hand-colored and uncolored copies
are printed. Otherwise, assume as a default that hand-coloring is item-specific.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN LANCASTER<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:37<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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>From DCRM(B) (which was based on a substantial amount of scholarly discussion, not least Tanselle’s seminal paper, “The bibliographical concepts of issue and state” (PBSA 69 (1975), 17-66, and the responses to it over the years):<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by one or more differences designed expressly to identify
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems pretty clear that versions of a printing designed to sell for different prices, with different physical characteristics, constitute different issues, whether those differences are in the illustrations, the quality or size of paper,
or the quality of binding, to name a few common ones. Both bookseller and purchaser would be quite clear which group of copies they were dealing with in any given transaction, and would not likely consider them the same.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">As a default approach, the rules contained in DCRM(B) assume that a separate bibliographic record will be created for each bibliographic variant that represents
what is referred to as an "</span>edition<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">" in AACR2 and an "</span>issue<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">" in bibliographic scholarship.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to confusing researchers, I guess it depends on the researcher - if one is interested in the physical characteristics, publication conditions, and the like, it would be more confusing to have all the copies of both versions lumped together
as holdings on a single record, and to have to sort them out by querying individual libraries (even if only by consulting each of their on-line catalogues).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Jeffrey P. Barton <<a href="mailto:jpbarton@Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">jpbarton@Princeton.EDU</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I agree with what both Allison and Ellen say. I’ve always been guided by the “new setting of type” (matrix) guide in creating/not creating separate records, and it can be confusing to a researcher to see multiple
titles listed separately, when the only real difference is hand-coloring of plates (or lack thereof) and they’re really the same issue.
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For Cotsen Library (children’s) 18th and 19th c. books, we often see books which specifically mention the colored/plain options on the wrappers or cover (a couple of examples below). It seems like the publisher is thus cueing the public that there are two
variations of essentially the same issue?<br>
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"Price 1s. plain, or 1s. 6d. coloured"<br>
"6 d. Plain ; 1 s. Coloured"--Upper wrapper.<br>
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Jeff Barton<br>
Cotsen Library<br>
Princeton RBSC<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell<br>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:15 PM<br>
To: DCRM Users' Group<br>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<br>
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Another question that is, of course, relevant: does it serve users to create a new description for color variations? <br>
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Maybe we can ask the research community?<br>
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Allison<br>
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Cordes, Ellen <<a href="mailto:ellen.cordes@yale.edu" target="_blank">ellen.cordes@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
I still think the concept that G uses is central: was there or was there not a change to the matrix? If yes, then a new record. If no, than the issue of hand-coloring is item specific whether the publisher caused it to be hand-colored and sold them as such
or a later owner commissioned the coloring. Sometimes we can tell because it says on the print that it is sold both colored and uncolored, but we cannot tell if a later owner had his print colored to his liking.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis<br>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:44 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
Subject: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<br>
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On behalf of the DCRM2 task force, I would like community thoughts on what appears to be an inconsistency on the matter of Variations requiring a new record (Appendix E).<br>
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The draft of DCRM(C), rule E1.2 says: “… generally consider that a new bibliographic record is required whenever the material distinguishes itself from other variants by one or more of the following characteristics: …<br>
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• change in the presence of hand coloring, if there is evidence that the resource was issued both with and without the hand coloring (in case of doubt, assume the material was issued both ways)”<br>
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Contrast this to DCRM(G), rule E1.3, which says: “Examples of differences that do not in themselves necessarily signal the need for a new record in the absence of other differences include: …<br>
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• the presence or absence of hand-coloring<br>
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• a difference in printed colors”<br>
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The other DCRM manuals do not explicitly treat the issue of color in this context. That said, the matter is still relevant to other formats. It is common, for example, for publishers of color-plate books to announce (on the item) the availability of the book
in colored and uncolored versions, at different prices. In this circumstance, it is uncommon practice (as far as I know) to create separate records for the colored and uncolored versions.<br>
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The default DCRM guideline is to “assume that a separate bibliographic record [i.e. a new Manifestation?] will be created for each bibliographic variant that represents what is referred to as an ‘edition’ in AACR2 and an ‘issue’ in bibliographic scholarship.”
It’s not a leap to argue that a difference in coloring meets the definition of a distinct issue (from DCRMB): “A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by one
or more differences designed expressly to identify the group as a discrete unit.”<br>
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I would like DCRM2 to take a consistent (and principled) stand on the matter, allowing (as DCRM does) for agencies to vary when it makes sense to do so. What, then, would make most sense as the default approach?<br>
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I’ve already received useful comments from members of the Cartographic team on this question, and I encourage them to chime in again here.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Francis<br>
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Francis Lapka · Catalog Librarian<br>
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<br>
Yale Center for British Art<br>
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