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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">I'll jump in too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 16 March 2015 13:04<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0">Manon,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0">I’ll take a stab at answers, inserted below. I encourage fellow task force members to jump in wherever I go astray.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Will the DCRM2 group be keeping the existing DCRM<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white"> default approach that "a separate bibliographic record will be created for each
bibliographic variant that represents ... an "issue" in bibliographic scholarship"?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white">FL: Yes, definitely.</span><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366;background:white">
</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">And that this decision (on resources known to have been issued both colored and uncolored) simply represents an exception to the
general approach, made for pragmatic reasons given that uncolored copies may have been colored at a later date by their owners?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white">FL: The decision represents the fact that we create catalog descriptions only for what we have in hand (generally).
We will rarely be able to match a given hand-colored <i>copy</i> with the hand-colored
<i>issue</i>; so frequently the hand-colored issue will not be represented by a separate catalog description</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366;background:white">.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366;background:white">[DJL: ] As I mentioned earlier, there turns out to be an astonishing lack of hard evidence regarding hand-coloring of individual manifestations; what hard evidence
there is shows that even when a portion of maps were issued hand-colored by the publisher, even more copies exist that show later hand-coloring as evidenced by differing color schemes. If research on the hand-coloring of individual copies of an issue has
been published, a cataloger could create a separate issue for copies that had been issued that way, which would necessarily require a full description of the coloring scheme. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">What would the 300 $b look like for a single bibliographic record representing a resource issued both colored and uncolored</span>? I'm assuming color would
not be indicated there, but thought I should confirm. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white">FL: Correct, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, we would consider hand coloring to be a copy-specific attribute. The manifestation-level
attribute (300 $b) would not record coloring. Even when there exist separate descriptions for uncolored and colored issues – where at least one copy is known to be from the colored issue – a cataloger would still relate a hand-colored copy to the uncolored
manifestation, in the absence of evidence that the copy in hand was issued colored.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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If you have a hand-colored item and evidence suggests that all copies were issued with the hand-coloring (e.g. you have a map with a legend indicating the colors used to portray different kinds of information), I assume the bibliographic record would have color
indicated in 300 $b?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white">FL: The task force did not discuss this situation (unless I dozed for that bit), but I believe your assumption is correct: we would indicate color
in 300 $b.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366;background:white">[DJL: ] Legends with instructions about hand-coloring do not provide evidence that all copies of a map were issued hand-colored, so once again,
a cataloger will not know whether the hand-colored map in hand was issued that way by the publisher.
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If you have a hand-colored item and you are simply not sure if all copies were issued with the hand-coloring or not, will you have an "in case of doubt" instruction for 300 $b that applies across the board for all resource types? As I indicated before, maps
with hand-coloring are extremely common so this is an important question for us. The DCRM(C) instructions have also been influenced to some extent by Cartographic Materials (CM), which specifies using "hand col." in 300 $b for hand-colored maps.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#0070C0;background:white">FL: This question probably merits more discussion among members of the task force. We welcome input.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">[DJL: ] Given the research that was presented in the recent conference, the presence of hand-coloring in itself means nothing, just as printed information like different
prices for colored vs plain copies means nothing regarding an individual copy. It is far too great a leap to presume that the hand-colored copy in hand was issued that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">I'm copying Chet Van Duzer on this conversation; he's traveling at present but may be able to add something in due time. He is an historian of medieval and renaissance
maps, one of the organizers of the Paint Over Print conference, and the presenter of the paper on his census of hand-colored maps in the 1513 Ptolemy. He will have more precise information about current research on hand-coloring.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">Deborah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">I am grateful for the many well-reasoned responses to this query.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">In its meeting last week at the Lewis Walpole Library, the DCRM-RDA task force favored the idea that the
presence of hand coloring should not be considered a difference requiring a new description,
<i>even if</i> there is evidence that the material was issued both with and without the hand coloring. The instruction in the current draft of DCRM(C) should not be retained as written.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">The crucial line of reasoning is provided in Deborah’s message below: “…
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365F91">it is usually impossible for the cataloger to know whether it [i.e. a given hand-colored copy] was issued that way unless someone or something tells them.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">”
A <i>bibliographer</i> may logically create separate entries for the colored and uncolored versions; but a
<i>cataloger</i> will rarely be able to associate (with certainty) a given hand-colored copy to the version issued as such.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 27, 2015 3:18 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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know if the hand-colored map in front of her was done by the workshop or arranged by an owner. Which makes the bar of evidence so high as to make the creation of two descriptions virtually "never."
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
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</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 14:13<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chet Van Duzer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365F91">Having recently attended a two-day conference on hand-colored maps and prints, I'm fairly confident about
two things. One, that publishers sometimes issued groups of copies hand-colored and the rest uncolored, just the way a publisher may issue ordinary and large-paper issues. And, that it is usually impossible for the cataloger to know whether it was issued that
way unless someone or something tells them. In Jeffrey's example, the two prices makes it clear. Otherwise, you'd have to depend on research.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365F91">One conference paper was on hand-coloring of the 1513 edition of Ptolemy's
</span><i><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#365F91">Geographia</span></i><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#365F91">. Chet Van Duzer found over 30 hand-colored copies. Of those roughly a third displayed the
same coloring scheme, while the remaining 2/3 were all different from each other. The conclusion that the publisher issued both hand-colored and non-colored copies, and that the colored copies were a mix of workshop and individual coloring. During the course
of two days, we saw many images of different hand-colored copies of the same prints, and they nearly always were very different from each other. As I recall, only in Chet's presentation was there any evidence of workshop coloring.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>think</i> I support creating two descriptions when it is known that the publisher produced two different "consciously planned publishing units," but only if the cataloger is quite certain, such as when different prices for hand-colored and uncolored copies
are printed. Otherwise, assume as a default that hand-coloring is item-specific.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN LANCASTER<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:37<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:3.0pt;background:white">From DCRM(B) (which was based on a substantial amount of scholarly discussion, not least Tanselle’s seminal paper, “The bibliographical concepts of issue and state” (PBSA 69 (1975), 17-66, and the responses to
it over the years):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:3.0pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Issue</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by one or more differences designed expressly to identify
the group as a discrete unit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It seems pretty clear that versions of a printing designed to sell for different prices, with different physical characteristics, constitute different issues, whether those differences
are in the illustrations, the quality or size of paper, or the quality of binding, to name a few common ones. Both bookseller and purchaser would be quite clear which group of copies they were dealing with in any given transaction, and would not likely consider
them the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">As a default approach, the rules contained in DCRM(B) assume that a separate bibliographic record
will be created for each bibliographic variant that represents what is referred to as an "</span>edition<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">" in AACR2 and an "</span>issue<span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">"
in bibliographic scholarship.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The fact that it may be difficult to determine for a specific copy whether that copy was issued colored or not, does not invalidate the fundamental distinction between the types
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As to confusing researchers, I guess it depends on the researcher - if one is interested in the physical characteristics, publication conditions, and the like, it would be more
confusing to have all the copies of both versions lumped together as holdings on a single record, and to have to sort them out by querying individual libraries (even if only by consulting each of their on-line catalogues).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Jeffrey P. Barton <<a href="mailto:jpbarton@Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">jpbarton@Princeton.EDU</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">I agree with what both Allison and Ellen say. I’ve always been guided by the “new setting of type” (matrix) guide in creating/not creating separate records, and it can be confusing to
a researcher to see multiple titles listed separately, when the only real difference is hand-coloring of plates (or lack thereof) and they’re really the same issue.
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For Cotsen Library (children’s) 18th and 19th c. books, we often see books which specifically mention the colored/plain options on the wrappers or cover (a couple of examples below). It seems like the publisher is thus cueing the public that there are two
variations of essentially the same issue?<br>
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"Price 1s. plain, or 1s. 6d. coloured"<br>
"6 d. Plain ; 1 s. Coloured"--Upper wrapper.<br>
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Jeff Barton<br>
Cotsen Library<br>
Princeton RBSC<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell<br>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:15 PM<br>
To: DCRM Users' Group<br>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<br>
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Another question that is, of course, relevant: does it serve users to create a new description for color variations? <br>
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Maybe we can ask the research community?<br>
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Allison<br>
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Cordes, Ellen <<a href="mailto:ellen.cordes@yale.edu" target="_blank">ellen.cordes@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
I still think the concept that G uses is central: was there or was there not a change to the matrix? If yes, then a new record. If no, than the issue of hand-coloring is item specific whether the publisher caused it to be hand-colored and sold them as such
or a later owner commissioned the coloring. Sometimes we can tell because it says on the print that it is sold both colored and uncolored, but we cannot tell if a later owner had his print colored to his liking.<br>
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Ellen<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis<br>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:44 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
Subject: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions<br>
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On behalf of the DCRM2 task force, I would like community thoughts on what appears to be an inconsistency on the matter of Variations requiring a new record (Appendix E).<br>
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The draft of DCRM(C), rule E1.2 says: “… generally consider that a new bibliographic record is required whenever the material distinguishes itself from other variants by one or more of the following characteristics: …<br>
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• change in the presence of hand coloring, if there is evidence that the resource was issued both with and without the hand coloring (in case of doubt, assume the material was issued both ways)”<br>
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Contrast this to DCRM(G), rule E1.3, which says: “Examples of differences that do not in themselves necessarily signal the need for a new record in the absence of other differences include: …<br>
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• the presence or absence of hand-coloring<br>
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• a difference in printed colors”<br>
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The other DCRM manuals do not explicitly treat the issue of color in this context. That said, the matter is still relevant to other formats. It is common, for example, for publishers of color-plate books to announce (on the item) the availability of the book
in colored and uncolored versions, at different prices. In this circumstance, it is uncommon practice (as far as I know) to create separate records for the colored and uncolored versions.<br>
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The default DCRM guideline is to “assume that a separate bibliographic record [i.e. a new Manifestation?] will be created for each bibliographic variant that represents what is referred to as an ‘edition’ in AACR2 and an ‘issue’ in bibliographic scholarship.”
It’s not a leap to argue that a difference in coloring meets the definition of a distinct issue (from DCRMB): “A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by one
or more differences designed expressly to identify the group as a discrete unit.”<br>
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I would like DCRM2 to take a consistent (and principled) stand on the matter, allowing (as DCRM does) for agencies to vary when it makes sense to do so. What, then, would make most sense as the default approach?<br>
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I’ve already received useful comments from members of the Cartographic team on this question, and I encourage them to chime in again here.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Francis<br>
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Francis Lapka · Catalog Librarian<br>
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<br>
Yale Center for British Art<br>
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