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<p>I don't think OCLC touches anything coded DCRM[x] in the 040.<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> on behalf of Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl@uab.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 12, 2015 3:21 PM<br>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Sorry to be late in coming to this discussion. I agree that Karen’s post is worrisome. I think Bob might be overly generous in interpreting it as not reflecting her own views.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I understand OCLC doesn’t dedup records for books before 1801. Would it be possible to ask them not to dedup any records coded DCRM, so as to protect information in records such
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dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Discontinuation of OCLC's institutional records program</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">There is a timely and closely related posting by Karen Smith-Yoshimura (of OCLC research):</span></p>
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<a href="http://hangingtogether.org/?p=5091" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"">http://hangingtogether.org/?p=5091</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">See especially the sections on “Sharing data in centralized and distributed models” and “Importance of provenance,” which discuss the idea of using OCLC data as the
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">The idea of such a dependency on OCLC for special collections metadata makes me uncomfortable. I’d be happier looking to resources such as (an improved) ESTC as databases of record,
even if this option presents greater challenges for development and sustainability.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted P Gemberling<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 27, 2015 1:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] We need a schema for that (was: Discontinuation of OCLC's institutional records program)</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I would be pretty nervous about trying to create our own database, independent of OCLC. Unless we are in a position to buy all of OCLC’s records on old books and then revise all
of them. I think Allison’s idea of linking the annotations on Bibframe to “appropriate” OCLC records is more realistic. I realize that means we would still have to wade through all the duplicate records to find “appropriate” ones. But after all, that’s what
we’ve been doing for quite awhile. And since there are a limited number of new editions of pre-1801 books yet to be cataloged, this problem should diminish over time. Admittedly there are still lots of non-English-language records being added, but I generally
ignore those unless all the English records are particularly poor, in my effort to figure out how to describe a book.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 27, 2015 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] We need a schema for that (was: Discontinuation of OCLC's institutional records program)</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">I partially agree with your suggestion, Allison (the big picture bit); but linking to OCLC for edition (Manifestation) descriptions would be less than ideal (see my previous message).</span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">If</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D"> BIBFRAME succeeds in becoming the standard for the representation of library data on the
web, then RBMS should work to develop the schema it needs within the BIBFRAME framework. Although the current BIBFRAME model represents copy-specific descriptions as Annotations, it’s my impression that they are reconsidering this decision; that is, they may
revise the model to recognize Items (/Holdings) as a proper resource. See:</span></p>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.loc.gov_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FA2-3Dind1501-26L-3Dbibframe-26T-3D0-26P-3D13353&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=Q3oaXUaHkwFGbSWtKg0LXXjqMWZrH8HuorCA_7T0UQU&s=grTf_ijjP4W3UvUKyk9G0v3ZzGop0zabNC9SMN4YhRk&e=" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"">http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1501&L=bibframe&T=0&P=13353</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">Yes, we should definitely push for a schema (in BIBFRAME, or elsewhere if need be) with data elements that precisely match the copy-specific information our community uses. I’d be
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allison Jai O'Dell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] We need a schema for that (was: Discontinuation of OCLC's institutional records program)</span></p>
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I hesitate to send this out to the DCRM list, but since we're on the subject... </p>
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The IR thread has surfaced a well-known problem: that rare materials users need better access to detailed and copy-specific information -- and they need it from an aggregated, Web-based portal, not through everybody's individual catalogs.</p>
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I do not think that we, the DCRM community, need to rely on OCLC or WorldCat to achieve this end. At a 2014 Bib Standards meeting, I suggested an alternate solution: </p>
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RBMS should develop a schema for the copy-specific and detailed information that rare materials libraries aim to capture. Descriptions in this new format could be linked to BIBFRAME resources as an Annotation, and linked to OCLC records for the appropriate
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Once we have structured data, we can develop the cross-institutional datastores and access means that our users need. </p>
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Thoughts? Volunteers? The IR thread has re-invigorated my interest in this idea, and I'd like to push forward.</p>
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Best,<br>
Allison</p>
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