<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Doh!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Kate's quite right, I think. I was so focused on the matter of what relates to the edition that I didn't note the grammatical inseparability of genitive title/nominative edition. The intervening period is a graphic but not a grammatical feature, and should have no effect on the perfectly clear syntax.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Though there's no exactly corresponding example, Kate's transcription is surely in the spirit of 2B6. Put it into English, in idiomatic order with a corresponding silly period, and there's no doubt: "The latest edition. Of Adolphus Brachelius's history of our times ...".</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Kate Moriarty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moriarks@slu.edu" target="_blank">moriarks@slu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Question: Does the title need the nominative to make sense, in which case "editio ultima" would go in the title proper regardless and everything else accompanies it as other title information? Though OCLC does have several records without the nominative in the title proper and uniform title ... <div><br></div><div>If so, the period after "temporis" might have to be ignored or changed to a comma as in OCLC 319721001 (not an ISBD record). </div><div><br></div><div>Is this a MARC possibility?<div><br></div><div>245 10 $a Adolphi Brachelii historiarum nostri temporis editio ultima : $b in duas partes divisa : prioribus multo emendatior, & continuata in annum 1654. diversis variorium principum & virorum illustrium figuris exornata : adjuncti in fine articulis pacis inter Anglos & Belgas, cum iconibus praecipuorum maris praefectorum.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll be coming across this kind of thing now and then so thank you for any feedback. And thank you, Mark, for posting this.</div><div><br></div><div>-Kate</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Mark Seidl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marseidl@vassar.edu" target="_blank">marseidl@vassar.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you both!</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Noble, Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">To add to Deborah's note: If earlier editions were divided, then that's part of the general title. The rest, however, is probably specific to the edition, though again this may require comparison with earlier editions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Real Latinists invited to make a fool of me, but this is the gist:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Much improved from prior editions, and continued to the year 1654, adorned with diverse portraits of various princes and illustrious men. With the addition at the end of the terms of peace between the English and the Dutch, with portraits of the most distinguished naval commanders.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">BTW, there are a few records for this title in OCLC, but none of them look quite right to me.<u></u><u></u></p>
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