<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">As to the letter, is this a manuscript, which is unique? In that case the manifestation <i>is</i> an item, and there is no point in trying to distinguish between the two FRBR levels. All forms of evidence, including later additions to the letter as much as the physical characteristics of the substrate, are item level, but tagged as general because they are also all manifestation level: there is no distinction between what the letter writer wrote and what was added by later hands.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">As to dispositive manifestation evidence that occurs in a single copy, that also is tagged as general. It's essentially a reference source <i>about</i> the manifestation, not a statement about a physical characteristic <i>of</i> the manifestation. In cases of ambiguity, especially as regards evidence at the level of bibliographical state* that has been <i>noted</i> in one copy only, but may be present in other copies, my practice has been to add a 500 $5RPB note, or, if I've noted it in another institution's copy (perhaps as digitized), a simple 500 with explicit reference to the copy in which the evidence was observed. (No $5RPB because my institution is not the source of the evidence; in such cases I've often wished that we could drop our mask of anonymity and sign our notes in some fashion. Or is the $5 the semantic equivalent of such a signature?)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">*Unless of course the state is of such a nature as to distinguish a different manifestation (issue, in printed books). That requires creation of a new record--with fully informative notes regarding the distinction and possibly, especially if you're breaking a conflation, information regarding the copy or copies in which the evidence was found.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Elizabeth O'Keefe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eokeefe@themorgan.org" target="_blank">eokeefe@themorgan.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I think it's a very good idea to specify when "signed" means handwritten, as opposed to printed.<br><br>As
 I thought about the examples, I wondered whether it would be necessary 
to create two notes when evidence relevant to the manifestation appears 
only in the item.  Two examples: <br><br>a handwritten inscription on a 
printed book that provides evidence of 
authorship (for example, a handwritten note on the flyleaf of a book 
with no statement or 
responsibility, that says something like, "written by my father-in-law, 
John L.
 Sullivan, but published anonymously"). Assuming this statement was 
verifiable, it would justify assigning authorial responsibility to John 
L. Sullivan. The justification for doing this would be recorded as a 
Note on Statement of Responsibility (2.17.3), which would include a 
citation to the item that was the source of the information. Would you 
also enter this information as an item-specific note, or is the 
manifestation-level note sufficient? <br><br>a signature on an undated or incorrectly dated autograph letter that provides evidence on <b>when</b>
 the letter was written (in the 
case of someone signing a letter with a married name, when she is known 
to have died in the first year of her marriage; or with a 
hereditary title or title of office that changes over time, and 
therefore provides a clue to the dating of the letter). Would this note 
be a Note on Production Statement (2.17.6) and also an item-specific 
note, or just the former? <br><br></div>I tried to make these examples 
as simple as possible, but reading them over, I realize that the second 
example could also be considered a Note on Statement of Responsibility 
(signatures are not treated as statements of responsibility, but notes 
on resources without statements of responsibility are covered under this
 instruction), while the first example, with very little tweaking, could
 also justify a Note on Custodial History (2.18). This doesn't mean that
 it's not a good idea to make notes more element specific, but as 
several contributors have noted, it's sometimes tough to separate the 
information out neatly. Maybe a one to many relationship between notes 
that refer to several elements would be the answer. <br><br><br></div>Liz O'Keefe<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I do have comments on the wording of examples 5-7, specifically, with "signed" and "inscription."
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">"Signed: Alex. Pope," as it stands, might be interpreted that it was signed in print, because that is what the term "signed" as currently used in notes signifies.
 See DCRM(B) 7B6.1 examples: "Dedication signed: Increase Mather." "Signed at end: A lover of truth." Even if such a note were recorded in an item-specific element or sub-element, that still leaves plenty of room for confusion. Could the example be changed
 to "Signed in manuscript:" or "Autograph:"?  Likewise with "Original, signed by John Hancock." The context of the first example, "</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">Library has copy number 38 of 50; signed by the artist, " renders
 it less open to misunderstanding or confusion. Still, "Signed in manuscript by the artist" would eliminate any uncertainty.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">As for the 5th example (</span>Inscription on inside of front cover: Theodorinis ab Engelsberg.):
<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">"inscribe" and "inscription" are problematic words. The RBMS relator term "inscriber" (<a href="http://rbms.info/vocabularies/relators/tr18.htm" target="_blank">http://rbms.info/vocabularies/relators/tr18.htm</a>) is
 scoped: </span>Use for the entity that signs a presentation statement. <span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#365f91">
Anecdotally, I can say many catalogers also use the term when describing an instance of a former owner's autograph when there's more information than just the name, such as date and place of purchase or the like. Although I realize that RDA isn't circumscribed
 by DCRM or the customs of American catalogers, I encourage a different, expanded example be used when using "inscription."
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" value="+12026750369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mascaro,Michelle J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 08 May 2015 11:22<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">​</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This has been an interesting discussion that
 has highlighted the difficulties of mapping the variety item notes we use as rare materials catalogers to RDA as currently structured and written. My thoughts on this issue…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I support the current proposal that these examples from 3.22
<i>Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristics</i> fit better (though imperfectly) at 2.21
<i>Note on Item</i>.  In addition to the arguments previously made in this thread, RDA 3.22 states “For notes on identifying item-specific<b>
</b>characteristics <b>other </b>than those describing carriers, see 2.21,” which is distinctly different than the reciprocal statement in RDA 2.21, “For notes on describing item-specific
<b>carrier </b>characteristics, see 3.22.”  In my interpretation, this means we actually have more wiggle room at 2.21 than at 3.22, and RDA is supporting a “when in doubt” use 2.21 approach for item notes.  I would like to recommend that this point is added
 to the background statement in the fast track proposal.  </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kate brought up the valid concern about whether notes on item recorded under 2.21 have to directly map to the item attributes defined
 at 2.18-2.20.  As she pointed out, the sub-elements under the equivalent <i>Note on Manifestation</i> (2.17) imply that is the case.  I think this is a case where RDA’s intentions are unclear.  Recently, Francis posed the question to RDA-L about whether
<i>Note on Manifestation</i> is an element that can contain data (such as dedication statements which do not fit into any of the 2.17 sub-elements) or just an umbrella concept for the specific sub-elements
<i>Note on Title</i>, <i>Note on Statement Responsibility</i>, etc.  Gordon <span>
Dunsire</span>, JSC chair, responded that <i>Note on Manifestation</i> is an element that can contain data.   (I will forward the message to DCRM-L shortly for those who have not seen it on RDA-L.) In principle, I feel the placement in 2.21 of example item
 notes that do not necessarily correspond to item attributes specifically defined in chapter 2, but are not carrier characteristics, is in line with <span>Dunsire’s</span> clarification on 2.17.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As I have reflected on this issue, I am coming to realize that much of our community’s struggle/confusion is due to the fact we are
 thinking of all these item characteristic statements solely as notes because that is how we have recorded them in the AACR2/MARC environment. In RDA, many of the types of item notes we define would benefit from being made official item elements.  History of
 item, as Kate suggested, is a prime example.  <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ultimately, I would like to see the current fast track proposal on moving examples pushed forward to the JSC for discussion, and then
 as a next step, new proposals for additional item elements that serve the needs of the rare materials cataloging community. 
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Michelle</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James, Kate<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Francis,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Children often write their names all over books that don’t belong to them.   Children take ink stamps and bookplates that belong to
 their parents and use them to “decorate” library books.  Libraries often retain these books in their collections because of the cost of replacing them only to be redecorated by the next child that borrows the book.  That doesn’t mean these things that look
 like marks of ownership are actually indicative of custodial history of the item.  However, noting their presence is still useful to a library because 1) it gives an indication of the physical condition of the item and 2) it helps to uniquely identify the
 library’s copies.    Also, when a library does have money to buy replacements, notes about things written in books (so valued when it’s Thomas Jefferson’s copy and so not valued when it’s a public library’s copy of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire) can
 be useful in identifying what copies to replace.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That’s not me “looking for trouble” (which seems a harsh criticism since you posted this email saying, “Comments welcome”).  What you
 characterized as me “looking for trouble” is the experience I bring having worked in a variety of libraries and having seen how things that might mean something in one context for one type of book can mean something completely different in another context
 with another type of book.  As a general cataloging standard, RDA is supposed to accommodate this variety.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You did not address my general point that while I can see how these notes could fit into a note on item because they convey information
 about the item, they do not in the current chapter 2, which has very few attributes of item.  I can see some of the notes moving into chapter 2 if more attributes were added.  For example, a “history of the item” attribute, which has precedent with history
 of the work (6.7) and could be a great place to record a lot of copy-specific information like, “Initialed by Thomas Jefferson at signatures I and T.”  I’m not sure what to call it, but I the copy number owned by a library for limited printings (e.g., Library
 has copy 38 of 50) would also be a good attribute in chapter 2.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kate</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><span>Lapka</span>, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Kate,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I concede that the proposal touches upon gray areas, but I think it makes a pragmatic attempt to respect RDA’s structural divisions.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">You say:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Because “carrier characteristics” is not defined in RDA, you have more wiggle-room about what can be considered a carrier characteristic. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Whether RDA defines it or not, there’s little ambiguity that ‘carrier characteristic’ (in chapter 3) refers to a physical attribute of the
 resource, as with every other data element in chapter 3. This is in tidy contrast to chapter 2, which provides attributes concerning the information (signs and symbols) manifested. If RDA provides elements in both chapters to record item-specific notes, then
 Kathy’s division is logical; the examples she proposes to move to chapter 2 primarily concern information manifested in the resource.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">You say:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some of them, like “Stamp: Château de La Roche
<span>Guyon</span>, <span>Bibliothèque</span>” and  “Signed: Alex. Pope” might be part of the custodial history of the item, but you really can’t say without more information.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">This is looking for trouble where it’s not necessary. We record statements like these – or notes about bookplates –
<i>primarily</i> to provide clues about provenance, infrequently to record the physical aspects. If we were limited by the burden of absolute proof, our records would be bereft of provenance tracings.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">You say:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Since the stamp and signature would have to be done with an applied material like ink, I can see how that would be an item-specific
 carrier characteristic because the ink is an applied material unique to those items.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">By this same argument, a printed title and edition statement would also be carrier characteristics (of the chapter 3 variety) because they
 too are applied with ink. If the nature of the ink is the primary reason for recording a note, record it in chapter 3. But for the examples in the present proposal, the provenance information noted is the essence, not the physical details. Some notes may truly
 straddle the chapter 2/3 division; perhaps something like: “Inscribed in graphite: Nicolas-Jacques
<span>Conté</span>.” I’d happily put such a note in our Chapter 2 element.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Any agency that wishes to record all item-specific notes in the chapter 3 element is free to take that path. But for the agencies that would
 prefer to employ a range of elements for item-specific notes of tighter semantic scope, I would like RDA to clearly define this option (to be refined by the DCRM revision in the works).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Francis</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James, Kate<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Francis,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My problem with this proposal is that these notes do not necessarily fit in the scope of note on item as defined at <a href="http://2.21.1.1" target="_blank">2.21.1.1</a>: “A note
 on item is a note providing information on attributes of the item.”  There are three attributes of item defined in chapter 2: custodial history of item; immediate source of acquisition of item; and identifier for the item.  2.21 Note on Item is the item-note
 equivalent of 2.17 Note on Manifestation.  If you look at the sub-instructions in 2.17, you see how they map to attributes of the manifestation like statement of responsibility and publication statement.  The notes in your email are not necessarily indicative
 of attributes of the item according to 2.18-2.20 so how can you make a notes on them at 2.21?
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some of them, like “Stamp: Château de La Roche
<span>Guyon</span>, <span>Bibliothèque</span>” and  “Signed: Alex. Pope” might be part of the custodial history of the item, but you really can’t say without more information.  Since the stamp and signature would have to be done
 with an applied material like ink, I can see how that would be an item-specific carrier characteristic because the ink is an applied material unique to those items. So if you really wanted to parse it finely, in the case where a book has a stamp indicating
 its previous owner, the information contained in the stamp is part of chapter 2, and the fact that the stamp appears on this copy of the book only is part of chapter 3.  Splitting things this finely can result in notes that are less friendly to human users. 
 Take the example “Spine title: <span>Rocque's</span> map of <span>
Shropshire</span>” in 2.17.2.3.  Technically, only the source of the spine title, which is the spine, belongs as a note in 2.17.2.3.  The title itself is a variant title, which can be recorded as an attribute according to 2.3.6.  However, the pure approach
 results in this misleading information:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Variant title:
<span>Rocque's</span> map of <span>Shropshire</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Note on title:  Title from spine</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If we have the ability to constrain the “note on title” to the variant title rather than any other kind of title, e.g., the title proper,
 this approach works.  And many of us do actually have that ability by using a MARC 246 18, in which the note is generated by the indicator and the variant title is recorded in the 246 $a.  However, not everyone is implementing RDA with an “encoding standard”
 that can do this, and the JSC wanted variety shown in the examples.  If there is only one variant title, you can do this particular example on a 3x5 card, but once you have multiple variant titles from multiple sources (e.g., spine, added title page, cover),
 you either confuse your users or you mix your attributes. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That was a bit of a digression so circling back to 2.21 vs. 3.22…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In contrast to 2.21’s “Note on Item”, 3.22, Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristics, has a much broader scope: “A note on item-specific
 carrier characteristic is a note providing additional information about carrier characteristics that are specific to the item being described and are assumed not to apply to other items exemplifying the same manifestation.”  Because “carrier characteristics”
 is not defined in RDA, you have more wiggle-room about what can be considered a carrier characteristic.  I agree, some of these examples don’t neatly fit into chapter 3, but they don’t fit into chapter 2 as currently written either.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kate James</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Policy and Standards Division</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Library of congress</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
 [</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><span>Lapka</span>, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] FW: item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Kathy Glennan, our ALA rep. to the JSC, has put together a fast-track proposal on the matter of item-specific notes. See below (or the attached).
 Comments welcome.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Francis</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">In response to a question raised on RDA-L in late March, ALA proposes adding examples to help clarify the differences between RDA 2.21,
<i>Note on Item,</i> and RDA 3.22, <i>Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic</i>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Although our suggestions focus solely on examples, this seems like a change that the JSC as a whole should endorse, which is why I am
 submitting this as a fast track proposal. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Background:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">RDA 3.22,
<i>Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic</i>, contains a number of examples. RDA 2.21,
<i>Note on Item</i>, contains no examples. ALA assumes that 2.21 elaborates on attributes covered in Chapter 2, while 3.22 elaborates on attributes recorded according to Chapter 3. However, there are a number of examples in 3.22 that are not about the physical
 carrier.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Proposal:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Move the following examples from the various sub-instructions in 3.22 to 2.21.1.3,
<i>Making Notes on Item</i>, since they do not convey information about physical attributes:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Library has copy number 38 of 50; signed by the artist.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Notes by author on endpapers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stamp: Château de La Roche
<span>Guyon</span>, <span>Bibliothèque</span>. <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">[Note: this is the 2^nd clause in the 4^th example in 3.22.1.4; the first part, “Contemporary doeskin over boards”,
 should remain in 3.22.1.4.]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Inscription on inside of front cover:
<span>Theodorinis</span> ab <span>Engelsberg</span>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Signed: Alex. Pope<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Original, signed by John Hancock<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Marginalia by Robert Graves<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Kathy Glennan [<a href="mailto:kglennan@umd.edu" target="_blank">mailto:kglennan@umd.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mascaro,Michelle J; Matthew C. Haugen; Pearson, Audrey<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <span>Lapka</span>, Francis; John Attig <<a href="mailto:jxa16@psu.edu" target="_blank">jxa16@psu.edu</a>> (<a href="mailto:jxa16@psu.edu" target="_blank">jxa16@psu.edu</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All-</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m prepared to submit the attached fast track proposal to the JSC. Do you have any comments/corrections/etc. before I do so?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’d appreciate a response by 5/15, so I can get something off of my never-ending “to do” list.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Many thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kathy
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:red">[other correspondence omitted]</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<span>Lapka</span>, Francis [</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Glennan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pearson, Audrey; Mascaro,Michelle J; Matthew C. Haugen (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:mch2167@columbia.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mch2167@columbia.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">);
 John Attig <</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:jxa16@psu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">jxa16@psu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">>
 (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:jxa16@psu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">jxa16@psu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> item-specific notes: RDA 2.21 and 3.22</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Hi, Kathy (and friends).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">I think RDA would benefit from clarification on the intended usage of Note on Item (2.21) – and, specifically, on how it varies from Note
 on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic (3.22). My query to the RDA-L list on the matter has yet to receive a useful response.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">In a brief chat on Friday, John Attig suggested a principle that seems like a good starting point (paraphrasing): Note on Item elaborates
 on attributes covered in Chapter 2, whereas Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic elaborates on attributes covered in Chapter 3. That concept is in line with RDA’s instruction in 3.22: “</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">For
 notes on identifying item-specific characteristics other than those describing carriers, see 2.21</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">.” My instinct is to put description related to item-specific
<i>physical</i> attributes in 3.22, everything else in 2.21 – but this instinct may be entirely misguided.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Would the following examples in 3.22 make more sense in 2.21?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Library has copy number 38 of 50; signed by the artist.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Notes by author on endpapers.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Stamp: Château de La Roche
<span>Guyon</span>, <span>Bibliothèque</span>.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Inscription on inside of front cover:
<span>Theodorinis</span> ab <span>Engelsberg</span>.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Signed: Alex. Pope</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Original, signed by John Hancock</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Marginalia by Robert Graves</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">On the other hand, it wouldn’t surprise me if a portion of the special collections community would oppose a division at all, because some
 item-specific attributes touch on both sides of the fence: e.g. description of an armorial binding would describe provenance and carrier.
<span>Blergh</span>.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Kathy, can you suggest a way forward? Do you see this a problem in need of fixing? At minimum, do we need examples in 2.21? Would it be better
 to bring forward a revision proposal? (If so, I’m skeptical we could do so this year.)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Francis</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<span>Lapka</span>, Francis [</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2015 8:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:rda-l@lists.ala.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rda-l@lists.ala.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RDA-L] Note on Item (2.21) versus Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic (3.22)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Could someone explain to me the kind of data that RDA would intend us to record in Note on Item (2.21)? There are no examples.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Note on Item-Specific Carrier Characteristic (3.22) includes information on item-specific imperfections, physical materials (e.g. bespoke
 bindings), annotations/inscriptions, and limited edition numbering. What’s left for 2.21?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Francis</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif";color:black">Francis
<span>Lapka</span>  ·  Catalog Librarian</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif";color:black">Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif";color:black">Yale Center for British Art</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif"">francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr">Elizabeth O'Keefe<br>Director of Collection Information Systems<br>The Morgan Library & Museum<br>225 Madison Avenue<br>New York, NY  10016-3405<br> <br>TEL: <a href="tel:212%20590-0380" value="+12125900380" target="_blank">212 590-0380</a><br>FAX: <a href="tel:2127685680" value="+12127685680" target="_blank">2127685680</a><br>NET: <a href="mailto:eokeefe@themorgan.org" target="_blank">eokeefe@themorgan.org</a><br><br>Visit CORSAIR, the Library's comprehensive collections catalog:<br><a href="http://corsair.themorgan.org" target="_blank">http://corsair.themorgan.org</a><br></div></div>
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