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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Erin mentioned, choices among titles pages and chief sources don’t come up often in graphic materials cataloging. What caught my eye in this conversation is the general idea that choosing a source with additional information is a positive thing for rare materials and something to hold onto for DCRM cataloging.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The opportunity to choose </span><span style='color:black'>“the source that supplies the most additional information” </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>reminded me of the objectives and principles section of a DCRM introduction—the underlying rationale for having DCRM rules. The text points out that users of rare materials must frequently perform identification and selection tasks without direct access to the material—consultation from a distance, limited access due to fragile condition of an item; inability to browse among items held in secured locations. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The rare material reason to hold on to such guidance as choosing the “source that supplies the most additional information” seems to be fundamental to the purpose of rare material description – go into greater detail to serve users of rare materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Helena<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Helena Zinkham<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Library of Congress, Prints & Photographs Division<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allison Jai O'Dell<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Doesn't this really depend on the type of material? (e.g., colophon for an incunable, cover title for a diary)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am inclined to extend the list of "other resources" in RDA 2.2.2 with lots of "rare materials" (different formats, different time periods).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And yes, I did just propose a lot of work for you guys. ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Allison<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Erin, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Correct. The issue is in the context of resources consisting of more than one page, leaf, sheet or card. For Graphics (still images) -- including those on more than one sheet -- our provisional guidelines steer close to DCRM(G).</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Francis</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] on behalf of Erin Blake [EBlake@FOLGER.edu]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Francis, can you confirm that we're only talking about formats where a title page would normally be the chief source of information? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In DCRM(Graphics), it wouldn't matter if the same title appeared in more than one place on the resource. You'd just pick one and make the always-mandatory source-of-title note.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Erin.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryan, Anna<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think a rare reason might be the special needs of incunabula, many of which have no title pages. I have taken titles from first lines of text, incipits, the colophon/explicit, prologues, tables, etc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anna Bryan</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Cataloger</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rare Materials Section</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>U.S. Anglo Division</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Library of Congress</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I speak only for myself.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Maxwell<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>If a difference like this does remain in DCRM it needs to be justified by a *rare* reason, and not just be there because we think it's a good idea. I'm having a hard time seeing a requirement arising from the fact that we're cataloging rare materials that makes us depart from RDA on this particular issue.<br><br>Bob<br><br>Robert L. Maxwell<br>Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger<br>6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>Brigham Young University<br>Provo, UT 84602<br><a href="tel:%28801%29422-5568" target="_blank">(801)422-5568</a><br><br>"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>I’d like community input on the matter of the preferred source of information for resources *<b>lacking a title page.</b>*<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><span style='color:black'>All DCRM modules are compatible with the idea expressed in DCRM(B) 0C3: “ … if a single <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__desktop.loc.gov_search-3Fview-3Ddocument-26doc-5Faction-3Dsetdoc-26doc-5Fkeytype-3Dfoliodestination-26doc-5Fkey-3DdcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26hash-3DTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26fq-3Dallresources-257Ctrue&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=BjeXZmLm1Jw9h2eF77smVbkjBumEpXxyXRcSHJ8uXxo&s=AVxnDydtRPSjomcJ5Fi6TKLUxFOIUpBL5g4DZSLP9_Q&e=" target="_blank">title proper</a> is available in a single source within the publication, use this source as the title page substitute.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>All are also compatible with the idea of an ordered list of preferred sources when (quoting B) “different titles, or differing forms of the same title, appear within the publication.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>When, however, “the *<b>same title proper</b>* is available in more than one source within the resource” there is a noteworthy difference. In Serials, this condition is not treated separately from that in which differing titles appear. That is, Serials prescribes the ordered list of preferred sources. The Serials approach mimics that of RDA (see 2.2.2.2). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>For this condition, the other DCRM modules say to choose “the source that supplies the most additional information” – an idea entirely absent from RDA. If the next version of DCRM maintains this guideline, it would represent a major departure from RDA. Is this variation justifiable?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>(I don’t yet have an opinion on the matter.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Francis Lapka · Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Yale Center for British Art<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'><a href="tel:203.432.9672" target="_blank">203.432.9672</a> · <a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>