<div dir="ltr">Doesn't this really depend on the type of material? (e.g., colophon for an incunable, cover title for a diary)<div><br></div><div>I am inclined to extend the list of "other resources" in RDA 2.2.2 with lots of "rare materials" (different formats, different time periods).</div><div><br></div><div>And yes, I did just propose a lot of work for you guys. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Allison</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Lapka, Francis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="Helvetica">Correct. The issue is in the context of resources consisting of more than one page, leaf, sheet or card. For Graphics (still images) -- including those on more than one sheet -- our provisional guidelines steer close to DCRM(G).</font></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:33 AM<div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Francis, can you confirm that we're only talking about formats where a title page would normally be the chief source of information?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In DCRM(Graphics), it wouldn't matter if the same title appeared in more than one place on the resource. You'd just pick one and make the always-mandatory
source-of-title note.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Erin.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryan, Anna<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think a rare reason might be the special needs of incunabula, many of which have no title pages. I have taken titles from first lines of text, incipits,
the colophon/explicit, prologues, tables, etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anna Bryan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I speak only for myself.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Maxwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If a difference like this does remain in DCRM it needs to be justified by a *rare* reason, and not just be there because we think it's a good idea. I'm having a hard time seeing a requirement arising from the fact that we're cataloging
rare materials that makes us depart from RDA on this particular issue.<br>
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Bob<br>
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.</p>
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source</span>
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<p>I’d like community input on the matter of the preferred source of information for resources *<b>lacking a title page.</b>*</p>
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</div></div><p>All DCRM modules are compatible with the idea expressed in DCRM(B) 0C3: “ … if a single <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__desktop.loc.gov_search-3Fview-3Ddocument-26doc-5Faction-3Dsetdoc-26doc-5Fkeytype-3Dfoliodestination-26doc-5Fkey-3DdcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26hash-3DTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26fq-3Dallresources-257Ctrue&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=BjeXZmLm1Jw9h2eF77smVbkjBumEpXxyXRcSHJ8uXxo&s=AVxnDydtRPSjomcJ5Fi6TKLUxFOIUpBL5g4DZSLP9_Q&e=" target="_blank">title
proper</a> is available in a single source within the publication, use this source as the title page substitute.”</p><span class="">
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<p>All are also compatible with the idea of an ordered list of preferred sources when (quoting B) “different titles, or differing forms of the same title, appear within the publication.”</p>
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<p>When, however, “the *<b>same title proper</b>* is available in more than one source within the resource” there is a noteworthy difference. In Serials, this condition is not treated separately from that in which differing titles appear. That is, Serials prescribes
the ordered list of preferred sources. The Serials approach mimics that of RDA (see 2.2.2.2).
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<p>For this condition, the other DCRM modules say to choose “the source that supplies the most additional information” – an idea entirely absent from RDA. If the next version of DCRM maintains this guideline, it would represent a major departure from RDA. Is
this variation justifiable?</p>
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<p>(I don’t yet have an opinion on the matter.)</p>
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<p>Francis</p>
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<p>Francis Lapka · Catalog Librarian</p>
<p>Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts</p>
<p>Yale Center for British Art</p>
<p><a href="tel:203.432.9672" value="+12034329672" target="_blank">203.432.9672</a> · <a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a></p>
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