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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Nina and Deborah; the CCC proposal for punctuation is an improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">In your comments to CC:DA, you might also mention the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">RDA’s current guidelines on punctuation transcription are already weak in regards to the principle of representation. Any suggestion that fidelity to marks
of punctuation in a transcription is important for <i>identification </i>of<i> </i>
the resource is severely undercut by RDA’s instructions to a) omit punctuation that separates data elements, and b) add punctuation, as necessary, for clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">The alternative proposed by CCC is in line with what the RBMS PS intend to instruct on punctuation transcription.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for working on the comments, Matthew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider, Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 10, 2015 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Matthew Haugen (matthew.haugen@columbia.edu)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Review of RDA Revision Proposals: Week 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Matthew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">6JSC/CCC/16 makes perfect sense, even if we are creeping into “cataloger’s judgement” territory. When following the alternative, I would like to have a mandatory
note that the punctuation has been normalized, although I don’t think it’s necessary to go into detail about what is changed (as they did in p. 7 of the proposal).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">6JSC/CCC/19: also makes sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nina<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+---------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nina M. Schneider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rare Books Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2520 Cimarron Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Los Angeles, CA 90018<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(323) 731-8529<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/">http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew C. Haugen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 07, 2015 4:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Review of RDA Revision Proposals: Week 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ALA recently sent our RBMS-sponsored proposal on references/citations, now known as 6JSC/ALA/45, along
with 8 other proposals and one discussion paper to the JSC, so thank you for your input!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Over the next few weeks, CC:DA will be evaluating and approving responses to nearly 30 additional proposals
and papers submitted to the JSC by other constituencies. At first glance, a few of the proposals being reviewed by CC:DA this week have potentially substantial implications for rare materials, <b>so your feedback is especially valuable on these two proposals
by</b> <b>THURSDAY, AUGUST 13:</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">6JSC/CCC/16: Transcription of punctuation and symbols (1.7.3, 1.7.5) </span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__alcts.ala.org_ccdablog_-3Fp-3D2257&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=H4YvLWNiTl265vxWUaeER5fsu2NZp0W9qyEQBDfiTv8&s=8iu5Dj2jrQL01rv9GBK6N3euIKCM3yZtuUapW3pQMs8&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://alcts.ala.org/ccdablog/?p=2257</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">6JSC/CCC/19: Parallel language elements (1.7.7)</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__alcts.ala.org_ccdablog_-3Fp-3D2260&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=H4YvLWNiTl265vxWUaeER5fsu2NZp0W9qyEQBDfiTv8&s=s9RVDGOZc-rmTXPsY7-iVAc1nOYesDJRsyWSDjGX1H0&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://alcts.ala.org/ccdablog/?p=2260</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please share your comments on the DCRM-L list or send them directly to me at
<a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a></span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As the RBMS liaison to CC:DA I don't vote, but I am expected to comment on behalf of RBMS. Our collective
expertise is valuable in evaluating these proposals and shaping the ALA response which is based on the comments posted during the week.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'll be in touch again next week on the next batch of proposals, but if you want to look ahead, or to read any of the proposals that don't seem to have rare-specific implications
(comments are welcome on those, too), all of the current proposals are available on the JSC website here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rda-2Djsc.org_newjscdocs&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=H4YvLWNiTl265vxWUaeER5fsu2NZp0W9qyEQBDfiTv8&s=T_Mkn-WX3LUZabi7eOHIP8Gyt6QRGIZCp5XWIRoVfu4&e=">http://rda-jsc.org/newjscdocs</a><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I am also attempting to keep a record of the most relevant proposals and
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dcrmrda.pbworks.com_w_page_82990804_CCDA-2520and-2520JSC-253A-2520selected-2520working-2520docs&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=H4YvLWNiTl265vxWUaeER5fsu2NZp0W9qyEQBDfiTv8&s=sarQfxEZerNMLc6jFpzvGBdCILaZ3XBzNOWXRlB3KYI&e=">
DCRM/RBMS responses</a> on the DCRM-RDA wiki but it's not up to date yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">All of the proposals and constituency responses will be discussed by the JSC at their annual meeting in Edinburgh, November 2-6, 2015. Approved revisions are
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>-- <br>Matthew C. Haugen<br>Rare Book Cataloger<br>102 Butler Library<br>Columbia University Libraries<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu" target="_blank">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a><br>Phone: 212-851-2451<o:p></o:p></pre>
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