<div dir="ltr">It's a semantic argument, but one could suggest that using the opening words of a text <i>as a title </i>is a title devised by the cataloging agency, not the creator.<div><br></div><div>I vote for option a, since DCRM(G), (Mss), DACS, CCO, and the current version of RDA all require (or strongly suggest) reference to the manifestation in devised titles:</div><div><br></div><div><div>“Constructed titles may refer to the subject, the materials, the form, or the function of the work” (CCO 1.2.2.2.2)</div><div><br></div><div>“devise a brief descriptive title that indicates either:</div><div>a) the nature of the resource (e.g., map, literary manuscript, diary, advertisement) or </div><div>b) its subject (e.g., names of persons, corporate bodies, objects, activities, events, geographical area and dates) or </div><div>c) a combination of the two, as appropriate.” (RDA 2.3.2.11)</div><div><br></div><div>“When devising title information, compose a brief title that uniquely identifies the material, normally consisting of a name segment, a term indicating the nature of the unit being described, and optionally a topical segment as instructed in the following rules.  Do not enclose devised titles in square brackets.” (DACS 2.3.3)</div><div><br></div><div>“For untitled images of a documentary nature, give the objective factual content clearly and concisely, enclosed in square brackets. … Include the following kinds of information in the devised title, as appropriate and feasible: </div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>the subject type or form of material, e.g., view(s), portrait(s), sketch(es)</div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>an identification of the main subject(s) depicted (i.e., persons, events, activities, and objects)</div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>geographical location(s) depicted, if known and significant</div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the date (including month and day, if considered important) or span dates of what is being depicted if different from the date of publication or execution” (DCRM(G) 1F2.1)</div><div><br></div><div>“For untitled images where the interest is in the aesthetic value of the material, use a succinct descriptive phrasing of the subject, iconographic theme, technique, artistic school or style, etc., when devising a title.” (DCRM(G) 1F2.2)</div><div><br></div><div>“The following are required components:</div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>Form or genre (e.g., diary, sermon, account book, play)</div><div>o<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>Creator, if known (for formulation of creator name, see 1B1.1) … (DCRM(Mss) 1B1)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Two cents,</div><div>Allison</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Lapka, Francis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I have mixed feeling about the LC proposal on devised titles.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">My first quibble is pedantic. RDA defines a devised title as “A title proper *<b>created by an agency</b>* preparing a description of a resource that bears no title
 itself and has no title associated with it that can be found in other sources …” (my emphasis added). If we record the opening words of a text, etc., as the title proper, the agency is not creating the title, so it is not really devised; so does that option
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">My second concern is more substantial. There appears to be significant redundancy between the data recorded as devised title for Title Proper of the manifestation
 and the data recorded as devised title for Title of the Work (see 6.2.2.6.2). For
<i>most</i> of the examples of devised titles in 2.3.2.11 – including the format specific instructions in 2.3.2.11.1-2.3.2.11.4 – the (devised) Title of the Work would be identical. “Typescript draft of chapters 3-20 of Natchez pilgrimage” may be an exception.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">So perhaps we should reconsider the point of devised titles for manifestations? We might:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">a) require that a devised title for a manifestation include manifestation-specific information (as in “Typescript draft …”);<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">b) consider that the Title Proper is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I lean to the latter option. Keep in mind that the Preferred Title for the Work is a core element in RDA, so even if we omit a Title Proper, the devised title for
 the work would still appear in the description of the resource.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew C. Haugen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Review of RDA proposals: Week 2<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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