<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Richard,<br><br></div>To clarify, the entry number in 510 $c that I used came from the MARC 001 system number (the "identifier") not a "DGM" number. My record does not contain a DGM number. <br><br>In the record you cited for a Webster speech, the DGM number appears to correspond to the system number of a related record:<br><br><a href="http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=003873291&format=001&con_lng=eng">http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=003873291&format=001&con_lng=eng</a><br><br></div>I didn't have any questions about the 510 $c, just the $a and $u.<br><br>Manon<br><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Noble, Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">One hates to dispute the institution's own stated preference, but I doubt whether "Explore the British Library" has, by our standards, a terribly long future as a name for the catalogue. It's not really a title, just an invitation (or a command?)--by a bookish analogy, more like the sort of phrase you'd see on a dust cover. The thing seems to called "primocat", or perhaps "<a href="http://primocat.bl.uk" target="_blank">primocat.bl.uk</a>", or "<a href="http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library" target="_blank">explore.bl.uk/primo_library</a>", though it <i>is</i> quite sensibly designated "main catalogue", a more durable and informative term.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">But apart from that kind of fluff, what about the 510 subfield c? The "identifier" field contains the system number, e.g. "016905687" for <i>Mr. Webster's second speech on the Sub-Treasury Bill, delivered March 12, 1838</i>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><a href="http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=016905687&format=001&con_lng=eng" target="_blank">http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=016905687&format=001&con_lng=eng</a></font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">Is that what one ought to cite? Then again, was Manon citing the number from the "DGM" field?</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">At any rate, it doesn't seem possible to enter such values directly in Explore the British Library. Is there some sort of durable URL that would enable precise access to the description referred to by way of the 510? For online resources, a subfield u seems almost indispensable, assuming that it's not subject to change in the next database upgrade. That's the e-equivalent of an entry or page number.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:06 AM, O'Brien, Iris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Iris.O'Brien@bl.uk" target="_blank">Iris.O'Brien@bl.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Arial">I have checked with our Primo Team and they would like our catalogue to be cited as "Explore the British Library". Unfortunately, I didn't get a reply about the permalink question from them.</font></p>
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<div>Here is the model I want to follow:<br>
510 4_ $a English short title catalogue, $c entry R202726 $u <a href="http://estc.bl.uk/R202726" target="_blank">http://estc.bl.uk/R202726</a><br>
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Here is the record I want to cite:<br>
<a href="http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&afterPDS=true&institution=BL&docId=BLL01004839781" target="_blank">http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&afterPDS=true&institution=BL&docId=BLL01004839781</a><br>
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Is the name of the catalog "Explore the British Library"?? Or maybe it's "Main catalogue"??
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510 4_ $a Explore the British Library, $c entry 004839781<br>
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510 4_ $a British Library. Main catalogue, $c entry 004839781<br>
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<div>I took the 510 $c from the MARC 001 field, called the "Identifier" in the public display.
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I'd like to add a 510 $u as well but the URL for the record is so long and ugly. Is there an easy way to construct "Permalinks" for records in this catalog?
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<div>I'm not really familiar with Primo discovery layers ...<br>
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