<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div> I'm sure I've used the term "illegally" when MS waste appears in context other than a binding. Our medieval MS folks want to be able to find MS waste in incunabula, wherever it appears and this seems to be a workable solution. But I understand that binding specialists may not care about waste outside of I was going to suggest a parallel term in the paper evidence thesaurus (or maybe repairs are more provenance related?), but the possibility Jane suggests of a materials thesaurus, along with the anticipated integration of the existing thesauri seem like better solutions in the long run. A lot of terms seem to have aspects applicable to more than one thesaurus. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Matt<br><br>Matthew<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> C. Haugen</span><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">Rare Book Cataloger</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">102 Butler Library</span></div><div><font style="font-size:13pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Columbia University </span></font><span style="font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Libraries</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">E-mail: <a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">Phone: </span><a href="tel:212-851-2451" style="font-size:13pt">212-851-2451</a><div dir="ltr"><font><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></font></div></div></div><div><br>On Sep 24, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Carpenter, Jane <<a href="mailto:jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu">jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Nina,</span><br><span>The term Printed waste should probably be de-coupled from its binding qualifier. If "Printed waste" were instead part of the materials vocabulary that CV is contemplating building, it could be used in a variety of contexts</span><br><span></span><br><span>For immediate use, I would use Printed waste (Binding), which I think is more descriptive than Mending, especially if you consider "binding" to refer to the structure of the book as a whole, not limited to just the covers. (Unfortunately this reasoning wouldn't apply to the question of the single printed song sheet that Andrea describes). </span><br><span>Jane </span><br><span></span><br><span>Jane F. Carpenter</span><br><span>Special Collections Cataloger</span><br><span>UCLA Library Special Collections</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Schneider, Nina</span><br><span>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:47 AM</span><br><span>To: DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Using manuscript waste (term vs. practice)</span><br><span></span><br><span>I didn't get a response to this, so it's still up in the air. Any opinions out there????</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Nina</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Cawelti, Andrea</span><br><span>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:03 AM</span><br><span>To: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a></span><br><span>Subject: [DCRM-L] Using manuscript waste (term vs. practice)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hey Nina, as it turns out, I have an analogous situation, where a single printed song sheet has been repaired on the verso with printed waste. No binding involved. Is there any "legal" way to use Printed waste, outside of the binding thesaurus?</span><br><span>Grateful thanks, andrea</span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>(Ms.) Andrea Cawelti </span><br><span>Ward Music Cataloger </span><br><span>Houghton Library </span><br><span>Harvard University </span><br><span>Cambridge, MA 02138 </span><br><span></span><br><span>Phone: (617) 495-8060 </span><br><span>FAX: (617) 495-1376 </span><br><span>E-mail: <a href="mailto:cawelti@fas.harvard.edu">cawelti@fas.harvard.edu</a> </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Schneider, Nina</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:29 PM</span><br><span>To: DCRM Revision Group List (<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>)</span><br><span>Subject: [DCRM-L] Using manuscript waste (term vs. practice)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi all,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I have a French book (1785) that has a damaged half-title leaf. As a repair, this leaf has been mounted on what appears to be a 19th C. letter (the verso of the letter is blank and it has been adhered, text-side down, making it difficult to read). </span><br><span></span><br><span>I'd like to trace this situation in my catalog record. Is this an appropriate time to use "manuscript waste" in the RBMS Controlled Vocabularies Binding Terms thesaurus? I've never used the term and I usually think of manuscript waste as part of the binding, rather than the repair of a page, but just wanted to get an opinion before adding it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Nina</span><br><span></span><br><span>+---------------</span><br><span>Nina M. 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