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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll add my voice to the chorus of dissenters and calls for the removal of “entry”  from the standard. I admit to never having added it before a citation number, and I don’t see such instructions in my dog-eared copy SCF 2<sup>nd</sup> ed. Why the change?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">While we are on the subject of enumeration, I wonder if any thought  has been given to adding to the established citations something analogous to the 642 field (series numbering example) that is sometimes found in series authority records. I think this would be helpful in situations where the preferred form of the numeration does not correspond directly to the resource. Wing comes to mind. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Another country heard from.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Will</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Will Evans</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Chief Rare Materials Catalog Librarian</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Library of the Boston Athenaeum</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">10 1/2 Beacon Street</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Boston, MA   02108</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Tel:  617-227-0270 ext. 224</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Fax: 617-227-5266 </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.bostonathenaeum.org/">www.bostonathenaeum.org</a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Maxwell<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Deborah. I see no benefit to adding the word "entry" into the citation and hope my rare cataloging ID care is not confiscated if I don't comply :-) I recommend that requirement be removed from the standard.<br><br>Bob<br><br>Robert L. Maxwell<br>Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger<br>6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>Brigham Young University<br>Provo, UT 84602<br>(801)422-5568<br><br>"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.</p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:42:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources</span> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I do use the new citation forms in my cataloging, but admit that I don't insert the word "entry" before the number. The word does nothing to enhance understanding of the citation—unless someone might be confused that it refers to a page number, but that confusion is quickly sorted out once the resource is consulted, especially if we consistently use "p." in the ‡c if we are referring to a page number. Inserting "entry" makes the entire citation longer, adds unnecessary visual noise, and is not a traditional practice for citing bibliographies. Plus, calling it an "entry" doesn't quite make sense for an online database, which consist of "records" rather than "entries." </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Can the SCF Committee enlighten us on their thoughts behind that innovation? And, do we lose our rare materials cataloger membership card if we drop the "entry"? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Deborah</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu">folger.edu</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcia Barrett<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 09 October 2015 13:34<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">The SCF Editorial Team has discussed the issue of citing entry numbers for online resources. We recommend citing the unique database number for the entry as its presented in the resource.  We've added a statement to this effect, along with several examples, to the Working Principles.  </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Also, we agree that inclusion of a URI is a matter of cataloger's judgment.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#444444"><br clear="all"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- </p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marcia Barrett</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Head, Metadata Services</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">University Library<br>University of California<br>Santa Cruz, CA 95064</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="mailto:barrett@ucsc.edu" target="_blank">barrett@ucsc.edu</a><br>831-459-5166</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>