<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Not quite sure how to word it, but perhaps a rider could be added to the effect that "entry" is the default, and may be omitted--that is, that a number standing alone (either simple or hierarchical: 127, 43-24, II.a.1.b(3) and the like) is understood to be an entry. The convention is so well established among those who use such resources that "entry" seems, as others have noted, like intrusive visual noise.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I should think that all locations other than those in fully and serially numbered bibliographies do require a term: a volume and page number, volume and entry number, page and number on page (e.g. Backer, Jesuit), and on and on. By the way, I see "p." being used in examples: is 510 $c exempt from RDA spellings out?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Ann K.D. Myers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:akdmyers@stanford.edu" target="_blank">akdmyers@stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>When we (the SCF editors) recommended the use of the word "entry" in $c, we were simply trying to be very unambiguous in citing the location by making clear distinctions between entry numbers and page, etc. numbers. However, in light of the passionate protests
from the rare materials community (and the confession of some of our own number that they had been omitting "entry" from their citations as well!) we have decided to adjust the recommendation in our Working Principles to allow for cataloger's judgment. It
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Include the term “entry” (or other term appropriate to the resource) before the entry number
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<p>I would also like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that you can always use the "Contact Us" link to bring issues to our attention.</p>
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<p>Thank you all for your patience as we iron out the wrinkles in this new resource, and rest assured that no rare book cataloging cards have been revoked.</p>
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<p>Ann K.D. Myers</p>
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<p>Stanford University Libraries</p>
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<div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Noble, Richard <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:29 AM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources</span></font>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I do agree with Will Evans concerning a 642 analogue in SCF records, which I suggested independently in a related correspondence. Best if it were simply routine, to obviate agonizing
about whether or not "the form of the enumeration [does/]does not correspond directly to the resource". Editorial judgment might be the basis for adding a "location within source complexity note".</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Also agree re "entry".</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll add my voice to the chorus of dissenters and calls for the removal of “entry” from the standard. I admit to never having added it before a citation
number, and I don’t see such instructions in my dog-eared copy SCF 2<sup>nd</sup> ed. Why the change?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">While we are on the subject of enumeration, I wonder if any thought has been given to adding to the established citations something analogous to the
642 field (series numbering example) that is sometimes found in series authority records. I think this would be helpful in situations where the preferred form of the numeration does not correspond directly to the resource. Wing comes to mind.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Another country heard from.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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