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<div>Message: 2</div>
<div>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:01:46 -0500</div>
<div>From: "Noble, Richard" <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></div>
<div>To: "DCRM Users' Group" <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752</div>
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<div>I would strongly favor the addition of relators to the 752 field. One of</div>
<div>its greatest strengths is the hierarchical format, which makes it possible</div>
<div>to browse lower elements of the hierarchy without prior knowledge of their</div>
<div>existence in the database, ordered according to a specifically geographical</div>
<div>logic, i.e. how we think about places.</div>
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<div>The format of 751 is the equivalent of 700s in direct order without see</div>
<div>from references--not optimal, i.e. not how we think about names.</div>
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<div>RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</div>
<div>BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</div>
<div><Richard_Noble@Br <<a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU">RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU</a>>own.edu></div>
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<div>On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>></div>
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<div>In 2007, MARBI approved creation of MARC field 751:</div>
<div>Added entry in which the entry element is a geographic name that is</div>
<div>related to a particular attribute of the described item, e.g., the place of</div>
<div>publication for a rare book, place of distribution, place of a university</div>
<div>to which a dissertation is submitted, place of an event such as a</div>
<div>conference, etc.</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd751.html">http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd751.html</a></div>
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<div>The scope of this field is similar to that of the 752, which substitutes</div>
<div>?hierarchical form of place name? for ?geographic name.?</div>
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<div>Compare the results:</div>
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<div>751 __ $a Lyon (France) $e publication place [or $4 pup]</div>
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<div>752 __ $a France $d Lyon.</div>
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<div>While we may debate the merits of recording the entry element in</div>
<div>hierarchical form (752) or a form as entered in an authority file (751),</div>
<div>the 751 has at least one clear advantage: it allows us to specify the</div>
<div>nature of the relationship between the place and the resource, via</div>
<div>subfields $e or $4. These subfields are not available in the 752.</div>
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<div>I fear our 752 tracings are regrettably ambiguous. They fail to indicate</div>
<div>whether the data is about a place of production, publication, distribution,</div>
<div>or manufacture.</div>
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<div>Before long, it is very likely that the option to record relationships to</div>
<div>PPDM places will be formalized in RDA. See:</div>
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<div>FRBR Library Reference Model:</div>
<div><a href="http://library.ifla.org/1084/1/207-riva-en.pdf">http://library.ifla.org/1084/1/207-riva-en.pdf</a></div>
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<div>Proposed revisions to RDA 2.7-2.10: <a href="http://www.rda-rsc.org/6JSC/BL%20rep/2">
http://www.rda-rsc.org/6JSC/BL%20rep/2</a></div>
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<div>Given that RDA will soon emphasize related places, I think now would be a</div>
<div>good time to modify our practice so that we can make explicit the nature of</div>
<div>these relationships (of course agencies are free to do as they please).</div>
<div>Might we consider it best practice to use the 751 instead of the 752? Or</div>
<div>could we request a modification to the 752 field to add subfields in which</div>
<div>to record the relationship designator and/or code? Are any on this list</div>
<div>already using the 751 field?</div>
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<div>Francis</div>
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<div>Francis Lapka ? Catalog Librarian</div>
<div>Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts</div>
<div>Yale Center for British Art</div>
<div>203.432.9672 ? <a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a></div>
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<div>Message: 3</div>
<div>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:11:58 +0000</div>
<div>From: "Fell, Todd" <<a href="mailto:todd.fell@yale.edu">todd.fell@yale.edu</a>></div>
<div>To: "DCRM Users' Group" <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752</div>
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<div>I would agree with Richard; retain the usage of the 752 while advocating for the ability to provide relationship designators.</div>
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<div>Todd</div>
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<div>Todd Fell</div>
<div>Head, Rare Book Cataloging Unit</div>
<div>Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library</div>
<div>P.O. Box 208330</div>
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