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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, I think that’s good, as long as there is an introductory phrase identifying which library has the inscription. If it helps catalog the book, it is “universal”
information. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ted Gemberling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">I am in favor of
<b>not</b> tagging a general note with ‡5 when the information from a particular copy justifies manifestation- or work/expression-level information.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Hildebrand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 December 2015 11:42<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I might agree, but I don’t think there is a potential system configuration nuanced enough for a hub and spoke approach. For example, I
<i>do</i> want to see an author attribution note based on an inscription in a single copy. I especially want to see such a note if it supports additional manifestation-level AAPs, which might not be tagged |5. I do not want to see local copy numbers, notes
on bookplates, etc. It feels like a display-based solution offers an all or nothing approach, with maybe an uncomfortable middle ground (e.g., display field when |5 = x institutions).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is interesting to hear from Christine that some libraries are not contributing this data intentionally, with future WorldCat use in mind.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It may be that another approach is needed. Richard touched on this. Perhaps when local information supports a manifestation-level elements, it should not be
tagged |5, but should be introduced with a phrase identifying the institution, e.g., 500__University of Oregon copy inscribed...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I appreciate all the input thus far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allison Jai O'Dell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I delete copy-specific data only if there is no $5. If there
<i>is</i> a $5, then we have valuable data about copies -- and my mantra is to never delete metadata, but rather to suppress or alter its display, or ignore it upon transfer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, I prefer not to delete copy-specific data in the master record (great for researchers!), but rather, to ensure that fields with other people's $5's don't import into my library's catalog. Ryan, I understand how this approach might become
a headache in a consortium environment -- but it's not impossible, either.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Something in my gut is uncomfortable with deleting data just because we find it obnoxious to configure our systems. ;-) I also think that the $5 is a reasonable solution to the "hub and spoke" approach of hanging copy-specific data off
of master records, given the MARC formats.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">$0.02,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Allison <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 6:07 AM, C M <<a href="mailto:cmegowan@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmegowan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In principle, I agree that local/copy-specific data is best left out of the master record unless it is likely to be of interest in the wider bibliographic universe. Since moving to the UK, however, I have found that libraries on this side
of the pond generally do not catalog(ue) directly in OCLC Connexion, but instead import records for editing in the local ILS. At some regular interval, the records are then exported to OCLC through a more or less automated process. The individual cataloguer
has no control over what happens to the master record. As far as I can tell, this process strips out any 590 fields (which seem to be used very infrequently), but fields 541, 561, 563, or any headings tagged with $5 are left in. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As much as I hate cluttering up master records with our copy-specfic data, it would take a major change in our local policies and/or workflows to stop doing so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Web: <a href="http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar" target="_blank">www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Christine Megowan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Llyfrgellydd Catalogio: Llyfrau Prin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gwefan: <a href="http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar" target="_blank">www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Ted P Gemberling <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Oh, one other point. When I create a 500 with subfield 5 with information I think some other cataloger
might want, I change it to a 590 when I bring it into our catalog. 590’s are displayed differently in our catalog from 500’s. I delete all the 500’s that are obviously local information for other libraries.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ted
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ted P Gemberling
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yes, that’s my understanding of what the subfield 5 is for, when you have information that you’re not sure is only of local interest.
If your copy proves to you that the note is unnecessary, go ahead and delete it. But don’t delete all 500’s with subfield 5. As Richard says, they may contain important clues to some mysterious aspect of a book.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I recently cataloged a book with a record created by NLE (National Library of Scotland?). There were a number of local notes on
it. I’ll admit I wasn’t bold enough to remove them from the master record, but since NLE was the only other library using the record, I added $5 NLE to the 500’s.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ted Gemberling</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">UAB Lister Hill Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">If you do that with
<i>all</i> $5 note fields you might lose one of my precious gems--that is, when it's a feature of Brown's copy (and almost certainly of some but not all other copies) that is the clue to variation within a manifestation (issue, roughly), I will usually tag
it $5 RPB. But perhaps I shouldn't do so, as long as the note explicitly states that the observation is based on the Brown University copy. I don't like such notes that leave one wondering "Where did
<i>that</i> come from?"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I'm too old now not to be bold, so I've taken to sweeping LC's local collection (710) and acquisition notes (561) out of master records.
If you want such information about LC's holdings, search their local catalog.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Of course, our opac doesn't even display $5 in its "regular [full, labelled] display", only in our "coded display" (what others call
MARC or Staff or Librarian view).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: </span><a href="tel:401-863-1187" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">401-863-1187</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Randal S. BRANDT <<a href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've also gotten bolder with age and now generally delete copy-specific information from OCLC master records. I do make an exception for $5 DLC, however. Not yet bold enough to
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