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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Richard and David,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for the enlightenment. However, here’s one question: David says that it “just barely qualifies as a Royal folio.” Is Gaskell wrong to say that Royal
folios have uncut height of 46 cm., considerably shorter than this book? (Page 86)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A more elementary question: do broadsheets usually have horizontal chainlines?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David, I am working on a DCRM(b) record for the book. At present I am using OCLC #54136513. I created a NACO authority for Gulielmus Dundass, who was apparently
the editor. I have not created one for Nicolaus Muntendam or Rudolph Schomberg. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks again,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ted
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Stumpp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Folio or broadsheet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ahh, thank you, Richard! You’ve answered my lingering question regarding the final leaves.
<a name="_MailEndCompose">We lack (by my best guess) the final leaf.</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 December 2015 15:13<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Folio or broadsheet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Dave Stump has called this one correctly, from the paper evidence of the single sheets alone. Beyond that, and more definitively, the preliminaries include what appear from the signatures
to be sheets of folio in 2s, and the text ends with a gathering *^6. (There are some complications that are not easily resolvable from a page-by-page online display, but basic make-up is obvious.) If the paper is the same throughout, you have your answer:
it's folio, largely made up of folio half sheets (single leaves), presumably printed work-and-turn, very efficient and typical of the work of this period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The obvious reason for the single leaves is to facilitate binding of the plate descriptions with the plates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Based on quick inspection of:
<a href="http://doc.rero.ch/record/11684">http://doc.rero.ch/record/11684</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:55 AM, David Stumpp <<a href="mailto:david.stumpp@chch.ox.ac.uk" target="_blank">david.stumpp@chch.ox.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Ted,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Christ Church Library has a copy, and the binding is just good enough that I wouldn’t
have been able to say whether leaves were conjugate or not. In size, I do think that it just barely qualifies as a Royal folio but is a bit too small to be considered an elephant folio or anything larger. That all being said, I think that, given the position
of the watermarks (ours are centered between head and foot, but are, perhaps, a bit offset towards the fore-edge) and the direction of the chain-lines, I would have called it a folio nonetheless. Could the single-leaf ‘gatherings’ be evidence of the printer’s
decision to print on half-sheets?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In fact, since I have it out, I think that I, too, will catalogue it and, at least for
the time being, I will call it a folio. Thanks for drawing my attention to it, and let me know what you decide to do with yours. And happy holidays!</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">______________________________</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">David Stumpp</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Antiquarian Cataloguer</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">The Library</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Christ Church, Oxford, OX1 1DP</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">01865 276169</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted P Gemberling<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 December 2015 21:17<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Folio or broadsheet?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is William Cowper’s Anatomia corporum humanorum, published at Utrecht (Ultrajecti) by Nicolaus
Muntendam in 1750. </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks, Ted
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 21, 2015 3:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Folio or broadsheet?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">What's the book, and when and where was it published?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Ted P Gemberling <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am cataloging a book that I’m pretty sure is broadsheet format. The dimensions of the sheets are approximately 53 x 35 cm., and the table on p. 86 of Gaskell (New Introduction
to Bibliography. Oak Knoll Press, 2007) seems to show that as too large for any folio. And in addition, most of the “gatherings” in the book are only one leaf. It has vertical chainlines, and near the top of p. 106, Gaskell seems to say that broadsheets can
have vertical chainlines. So how could it be anything but broadsheet? But on the same page, he also says “the watermark would be offset from the middle of the leaf.” And in the leaves where I’ve found a watermark, it seems to be about in the middle of the
leaf. Does that disqualify it from being broadsheet? Am I missing something?<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks for any enlightenment!<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ted P. Gemberling<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">UAB Lister Hill Library, rm. 234B<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1720 Second Ave. South<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Birmingham, Ala. 35294-0013<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Phone:
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