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Thanks!<br>
Borrowing Richard's phrasing, how does this look?<br>
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300 x, 440 pages : ǂb illustrations ; ǂc 26 cm<br>
500 This record represents 2 issues of this edition, distinguished
by a variation in the pagination of the preface. In the variant the
preface is set in a smaller typeface, printed on 6 (vi) pages.<br>
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<br>
Barbara<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/2016 4:29 PM, Noble, Richard
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Well, issues
are not <i>always</i> distinguished by title page
variants--different dedications are known to turn up, for
instance, which certainly mattered to somebody--but you have
to dig pretty deeply into Bowers to figure out how and when.
Deborah's right that the default with no title variants is to
treat the variants as states within the issue.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 4:02 PM,
Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Congratulations,
Barbara—isn't it satisfying to find new things like
that?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I
agree with Richard. What you've described are
variant states of an issue and should not be on
different records. If, say, there was a statement on
the title page about changes or revisions, then
you'd probably be dealing with different issues,
which would require a new record according to
DCRM(B).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">From
the DCRM(B) glossary:</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">*Issue.</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">
A group of published copies which constitutes a
consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable
from other groups of published copies by one or more
differences designed expressly to identify the group
as a discrete unit.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah
J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger
Shakespeare Library | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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www. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467"
target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 22 March 2016 15:34<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">If
the difference is clearly only physical--the
same text crammed onto fewer pages--then
this could be regarded as a case of variant
states within a single issue
(manifestation). A 500 note giving the
details would be a useful addition to the
OCLC master record (including reference to
the copy that is your evidence for the
difference).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">If
there is any sort of significant difference
in the text, then it might be described as a
different issue, as such justifying its own
dcrmb master record, though again some sort
of note would be required. No doubt the
holdings attached to the NLM master record
represent both variants, which cannot be
sorted out in any practicable way. I've
written a few notes beginning, say, "This
record represents 2 issues of this edition,
distinguished by ...". There's just no other
way to explain it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Courier
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CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Courier
New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY ::
PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:401-863-1187"
value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at
3:14 PM, Shiner, Elaine P. <<a
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href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">According
to OCLC guidelines on When to Input a
New Record, a “ variation in preliminary
paging, post paging or separate paging”
(not sure what they mean by ‘separate
paging’) does not justify making a new
record. If you made a new record, and
the preliminary pagination was the only
difference, your record might merge with
that of the x, 440 p. issue.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
can make a new record, however, if you
use the rare book rules (dcrmb)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Elaine
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Elaine
Shiner,
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Rare
Book Cataloger</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Houghton
Library, Harvard University</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
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href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a></a></span></p>
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href="tel:617-496-9190"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barbara
Tysinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 22, 2016
2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L]
Unrecognized variant?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello All,<br>
<br>
I think I may have an unrecognized variant
of <i>De la prothèse immédiate,
appliquée a la résection des
maxillaires</i> (1889) by Claude Martin.<br>
<br>
The records in OCLC all have the
pagination as x, 440 pages, but the copy I
have is vi, 440 pages, the Roman numerals
in both cases representing the preface.<br>
<br>
Compared to the digitized copy at The
Internet Archive ( <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archive.org_stream_delaprothseimm00mart-23page_n9_mode_2up&d=CwMDaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=z7NicJkNYFkVLEcQmeSRBA7uLawvKWXubuodzMMWnVw&m=JwbtaCwq5TC_5X0YXjxD847PzYksFGnanWHZmF84wWI&s=2l7AwrFRybr2SBQ7IKfO9qzdYqUYfnkxMRNkNmEfINU&e="
target="_blank">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://archive.org/stream/delaprothseimm00mart#page/n9/mode/2up">http://archive.org/stream/delaprothseimm00mart#page/n9/mode/2up</a></a> ),
the content of the preface in my copy is
the same, but is set in a smaller font,
taking less space. The title page,
colophon, and main text block appear to be
the same.
<br>
<br>
Is this a variation worthy of a new
record? Or should I use the existing NLM
record in OCLC, and just make a change in
the local catalog (with appropriate
notation, of course).<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Barbara<br>
...................All opinions are
entirely my own....................<br>
<br>
Barbara R.
Tysinger
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possit."-- St. Minutia......</p>
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