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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">This time I disagree with Richard. What you have are two variant states of the same issue, not two issues of the same edition.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@folger.edu | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC
20003 | www. folger.edu | </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 March 2016 12:51<br>
<b>To:</b> Barbara Tysinger; DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Looks good to me .. of course. But it also
<i>feels</i> good to write notes like this that I will understand long after I've done another few hundred books and can't quite remember all the details of this one--which is a pretty good test whether it will make sense to anyone else. It
<i>could</i> be set up so as to treat each state as a variant of the other ("Who you callin' a variant, you varmint!"), but your version does the trick just fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Barbara Tysinger <<a href="mailto:btysingr@email.unc.edu" target="_blank">btysingr@email.unc.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Final version of note?<br>
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"This record represents 2 issues of this edition, distinguished by a variation in the pagination of the preface. In the variant the preface is set in a smaller typeface, printed on 6 (vi) pages. Not evaluated for textual variation. Variant in the Sheldon Peck
Collection on the History of Orthodontics and Dental Medicine, at the Health Sciences Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. ǂ5 NcU-H"<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/23/2016 9:50 AM, Noble, Richard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The only thing you might add--only if you are allowed/allow yourself the time to do it--is to remark whether there is any textual variation. If I decided not to collate the texts, I might add,
in cataloger passive, "(not evaluated for textual variation)" or something like that, but would pretty certainly cite my institution as having the variant and add $5, which serves as a sort of institutional cataloger signature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New","serif""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Shiner, Elaine P. <<a href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu" target="_blank">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, I agree with Deborah and Richard. I was thinking more about what was allowed in OCLC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Elaine Shiner,
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:02 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Congratulations, Barbara—isn't it satisfying to find new things like that?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Richard. What you've described are variant states of an issue and should not be on different
records. If, say, there was a statement on the title page about changes or revisions, then you'd probably be dealing with different issues, which would require a new record according to DCRM(B).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">From the DCRM(B) glossary:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
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202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">
folger.edu</a> | <a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467" target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 22 March 2016 15:34<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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states within a single issue (manifestation). A 500 note giving the details would be a useful addition to the OCLC master record (including reference to the copy that is your evidence for the difference).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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dcrmb master record, though again some sort of note would be required. No doubt the holdings attached to the NLM master record represent both variants, which cannot be sorted out in any practicable way. I've written a few notes beginning, say, "This record
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post paging or separate paging” (not sure what they mean by ‘separate paging’) does not justify making a new record. If you made a new record, and the preliminary pagination was the only difference, your record might merge with that of the x, 440 p. issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barbara Tysinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:23 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello All,<br>
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I think I may have an unrecognized variant of <i>De la prothèse immédiate, appliquée a la résection des maxillaires</i> (1889) by Claude Martin.<br>
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The records in OCLC all have the pagination as x, 440 pages, but the copy I have is vi, 440 pages, the Roman numerals in both cases representing the preface.<br>
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Compared to the digitized copy at The Internet Archive ( <a href="http://archive.org/stream/delaprothseimm00mart#page/n9/mode/2up" target="_blank">
http://archive.org/stream/delaprothseimm00mart#page/n9/mode/2up</a> ), the content of the preface in my copy is the same, but is set in a smaller font, taking less space. The title page, colophon, and main text block appear to be the same.
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Is this a variation worthy of a new record? Or should I use the existing NLM record in OCLC, and just make a change in the local catalog (with appropriate notation, of course).<br>
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Thanks!<br>
Barbara<br>
...................All opinions are entirely my own....................<br>
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Barbara R. Tysinger Phone: <a href="tel:%28919%29966-0949" target="_blank">
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