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color:#1F497D">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Here’s my two cents.
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color:#1F497D">Before chiming in, I decided to double check the RBMS definitions at Jane’s link and was happy to learn that they pretty well reflected my usage. I’ve long
applied this logic with early printed materials: Generally speaking, if the publication statement has “printed for”, I use the relator “publisher”. It’s most convenient, of course, when an imprint divulges that a work was printed at someone’s expense. I only
use the relator “bookseller” in situations where the statement actually specifies in some way that named individual sold the book. Some booksellers were certainly publishers, as well, but not universally, I think, and this seemed the safest way to use the
terms accurately. <a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p></o:p></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carpenter, Jane<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 May 2016 20:58<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] "Bookseller" as Relator Term<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Have you had a chance to review the comments on these terms posted on the Controlled Vocabularies blog?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif""><a href="http://rbms.info/cv-comments/2016/03/30/terms-printer-publisher-bookseller/"><span style="color:windowtext">http://rbms.info/cv-comments/2016/03/30/terms-printer-publisher-bookseller/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">As noted on the blog, in response to a request from the
<span style="background:
white">DCRM task force, the Controlled Vocabularies Editorial Group reviewed the relationship designator terms<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:red">printer</span></strong><strong><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">,
<span style="color:red">bookseller</span></span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:red">publisher</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:red"> </span></span>and
developed definitions that can be used <b>regardless of time period</b>.<span class="apple-converted-space"> Several people have already commented, but we would welcome additional discussion. Would you post your comments to the blog?</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">With thanks, on behalf of the CV Editorial Group</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Jane Carpenter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">UCLA Library Special Collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif""><a href="mailto:jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu"><span style="color:windowtext">jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] "Bookseller" as Relator Term<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">What is the consensus regarding the application of the relator terms "Bookseller" and "publisher" in the context of a database that contains records for books old and new? "Bookseller"
as the counterpart of what we now call a "publisher" is essentially an archaic usage; the role played by the e.g. c18 bookseller named in an imprint is really what we understand as a combination of publisher, distributor and retail bookseller (and possibly
printer as well).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Our foremost concern in providing an access point for entities named in imprints and colophons is to identify "a person or organization responsible for publishing, releasing, or issuing
a resource"--which is one of the parameters for identifying a manifestation. And that is the definition of the relator term "publisher", no matter how the person or body might have been styled when the resource was produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The relator term "Bookseller" designates one who "makes books and other bibliographic materials available for purchase". Vis-a vis manifestations, this is a secondary role of the
bookseller. That is, "bookseller" as a relator term applies more to items than it does to manifestations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I've seen many rb records that use "bookseller" for the bookseller as publisher, but I'm uncomfortable using a data point that relies on historical context, and specialized knowledge,
for its correct interpretation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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