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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Deborah,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I thought the Bibliographic Standards Committee principles you sent us (“Guidelines for Establishing Certain Names Associated with Printers”) made a lot of
sense. If you follow them, you will be reflecting the historical reality of printers/publishers quite well, I think.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As to the principles Richard talked about below, I believe the first one, which favors a corporate name if a printer wasn’t completely consistent during a defined
period, seems generally sound. The one kind of exception I can think of is where a corporate name represents a partnership (usually with several surnames and/or given names included), and there seem to be instances where not all members of the partnership
worked on all books. I wonder if in that sort of case, it would make more sense to use the personal name(s). I wouldn’t think that if you had a partnership with individuals A, B, and C, and one book was only printed by A and B, you’d want to set up another
corporate name for just those two partners. Now, if you saw a pattern of them working together and apart from him on quite a few books, maybe it would make sense.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve worked pretty hard over the years to reflect publishers correctly, but I doubt I’ve been 100% consistent on the personal/corporate distinction. I’m sure
there were times when I used a corporate name rather than a personal one because it seemed more convenient. I probably haven’t been as careful with 19<sup>th</sup> century as I was with earlier books.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The only thing I would say is that it would be a serious error to make all printers/publishers corporate bodies, especially before the 19<sup>th</sup> century.
But then, it could be some libraries have a policy of not spending a lot of time setting up printer names. Maybe they feel it’s adequate if the user has keyword access, and if the corporate name contains the surname of the central individual, that’s good enough.
However, I’d rather they’d follow that principle in their local catalog rather than OCLC master records.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ll get to looking at your examples more next week.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ted Gemberling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Publishers Personal Name/Corporate Body<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Richard, I agree with you. I wrote these out more in the manner of a hypothesis, with the intent of testing them against the real world. I started with the test
case of Richard Bentley, who started in a partnership with Colburn, then published under his own name, then added his son to the business name some time later. At some point I think there was a brother involved. I quickly realized that the imprints, especially
in his early days (the 2nd quarter of the 19th century) revealed fluidity of relationships and functions, and the simultaneous individual and corporate presentation isn't helpful or appropriate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu | orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:42<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Publishers Personal Name/Corporate Body<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>Simultaneous individual and corporate presentation</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If an entity presents itself inconsistently as both an individual and a corporation within a more-or-less defined time period, establish and trace the corporate name.
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<p><b>Consecutive individual and corporate (or corporate and individual) presentation</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If an entity presents itself consistently within a more-or-less defined time period as an individual, and subsequently presents itself as a corporation, or vice versa, establish and trace as personal and corporate names, respectively.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The second of these seems clear enough, but the first is very problematic. In practice--and the c19 practices regarding imprints could be very inconsistent--the simplest implementation would
result from following the imprint as presented in the manifestation in hand as to its representing a corporate or personal publisher. Establishing that an inconsistency occurs within a specifiable time period amounts to proving a positive negative: that within
a time period (itself requiring comprehensive research to establish) the usage is
<i>not</i> consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">There are already rats' nests of headings that confuse the issue, because catalogers have only so much time to do that comprehensive research beyond the item in hand <i>and</i> meld the heading
into a ball of records. There's already enough </span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">work to be done to tease a preferred corporate name out of the variants that a publisher may present, and determine that they all represent the same entity;
but the best case scenario is that one should be able to do that for a publisher who also presents as a personal name, and make 500/510 links between the ARs to provide comprehensive, consistent, and easily identified AAPs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Bear in mid also that the database we mostly use is full of records based on the principle of condensing the 260 $b to the minimal form adequate for identification--which make researching exact
form of imprints a practical impossibility: the only "usage" we see in these records is the
<i>cataloger's</i> usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">(The whole business of establishing predominant name "usage" of every kind via NUC/OCLC has been my least favorite thing in 33 years of cataloging. We should write a song with the refrain "These
are a few of my least favorite things".)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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