<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I must disagree with this--the point of mounting to a stub is precisely <i>not</i> to have two leaves, but a single leaf that can be fully unfolded. I suppose that could be called a "double" leaf, but "2 leaves" is quite misleading. It can be bound to a stub at center or at one edge, a copy-level binding variation. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The best criterion: does the double-size leaf contain an image that runs across the center, such that binding it as a bifolium would result in a loss of information.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The situation with modern, machine-bound books is rather different: all too often a continuous image is bound as a bifolium--a whole book can consist of such things. Are these "double leaves"? It's one of those things may want to know--e.g. that it will be impossible to view the image properly in any copy or reproduction.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">It's all a matter of being accurate about "What are you looking at?"/"What are you looking for?"</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">If I'm interpreting the images correctly—a single full sheet set oblong, folded in the middle, attached by a stub, and each resulting leaf is the same size as the
other leaves in the bookblock—then what Will has are two leaves of plates. <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">See the discussion here:
<a href="https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2015-June/004196.html" target="_blank">https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2015-June/004196.html</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">In brief, catalogers of early printed western materials will rarely if ever have "double leaves." In Will's example, these would be double leaves if the sheet were
folded, blank verso to blank verso, and the edges pasted or bound into the gutter. This is clearly not what he has.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">If he had folded leaves, when unfolded, they would be larger than the other leaves of the bookblock. This is clearly not what he has.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">He has a bifolium attached to a stub bound in the gutter. Just the fact that the inner fold can be straightened out to view both leaves without interference doesn't
change the fact that that the book has two leaves, both of which are the same size as or smaller than the other leaves in the bookblock. What he clearly has, in both cases, is [2] leaves of plates.<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" value="+12026750369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC
20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a> | </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b"><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467" target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 06 June 2016 16:09</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I'd think that "folded" is the way to go. It's clearly not intended to be bound into the gutter, which render this matter unusable; and "folded" allows for the differences that there might well
be in different bindings, since one could attach these leaves at one edge, to be folded in.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">That's the problem with "double" vs. "folded"--different descriptions from item-level differences, which one always wants to avoid if possible.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Will Evans <<a href="mailto:evans@bostonathenaeum.org" target="_blank">evans@bostonathenaeum.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Deborah I’ve attached a few examples of the first situation (can we send attachments via DCRM-L?,) which I hope
are illustrative. The images cover the entire side of a sheet or leaf (verso is blank,) and they are attached to a binding stub at the center.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Prior to the lengthy thread of a few months back, I’m afraid I’ve always counted this as 1 folded leaf of plates.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll have to hunt around for an example of the second situation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 06, 2016 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Will, can you give us images, to make sure we're all on the same page regarding terminology?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" target="_blank">
202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">
folger.edu</a> | <a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467" target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Evans<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 06 June 2016 12:50<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Sorry to resurrect this thread. I tried piecing to together some understanding of these concepts from the DCRM archives, but
I want to be sure I’ve arrived at the correct conclusion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">If I have an unnumbered double plate (one image covering the entire side of a sheet of which its verso is blank) bound down
the center of the plate, attached to a stub in the binding counts as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">[2] leaves of plates</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">But if an unnumbered folded plate (one image covering the entire side of a sheet of which its verso is blank) is bound-in on
one of its edges it is counted as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">[1] folded leaf of plates</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">I this correct?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Thanks in advance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Will</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Will Evans</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">National Endowment for the Humanities
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Chief Librarian in Charge of Technical Services</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Library of the Boston Athenaeum</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Tel:
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