<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I agree with Deborah that cataloging rules would have us call this "[2] leaves of plates" in the statement of extent. And that a note giving more details would be a good idea, though I would be okay with using the term "double plate" in the note. <br><br>The one exception to this would be if I knew (or was fairly certain) that the book had originally been issued with the "thing" bound as [1] folded leaf of plates (i.e. something you only needed to turn once when flipping through the book but needed to unfold to see the content) but in my copy the "thing" had subsequently been rebound to create [2] leaves of plates (i.e. something you had to turn twice when flipping through the book but did not need to do anything special to see the content). Then I'd describe it as [1] folded leaf of plates in the statement of extent and add a local note to describe how it was bound in my copy. Of course sometimes it is hard to know what's going on, but that is not unusual in rare materials cataloging ...<br><br></div>Manon<br><br>--<br></div>Manon Théroux<br></div>Head of Technical Services<br></div>U.S. Senate Library<br><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I must disagree with my distinguished disagreers. It is a matter of definition. “Double leaf. I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Let’s first get this one out of the way: the one thing the situation cannot be is a “double leaf.” In re-reading the discussion of June/July 2015, I can see that
confusion about the definition of double leaves did not abate by the time it ended. In fact, confusion about the definition is why I started the conversation in the first place. The upshot is that even though many of us have used the term “double leaf” to
mean a single folded sheet with the opening at the fore-edge, that is incorrect by definition. “Double plate” doesn’t appear anywhere in the rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">The RDA glossary defines a double leaf as:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">A leaf of <a name="m_8926538053489519723_hit2"></a>double size relative to the rest of the resource, folded in half at the fore-edge or top edge, with the fold uncut and no printing inside the fold, and typically bound at the inner margin.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>This is a clarification of the DCRM(B) (and earlier) definitions, not a change in definition, although as has been noted, “double leaf” was understood in quite different ways by our community:
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><b>5B11. Double leaves</b>. Count numbered double leaves (leaves with fold at either top or fore edge and bound at the inner margin) as pages or as leaves according to their numbering. Count unnumbered double
leaves as pages (2 printed pages per double leaf) or as leaves (1 printed page per double leaf). Always indicate the presence of double leaves in a note.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Now, as to whether the sheet in Will’s examples are properly identified as [1] folded leaf of plates or [2] leaves of plates, consider that:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">The statement of extent is blind as to content. That is why DCRM(B) ended the practice of including added engraved title pages in the pagination statement.
Under current rules, a plate is a plate, regardless of the content. Therefore, the argument about whether there is one image or two, or the orientation of the image(s) is moot: in the statement of extent, we are counting extent only.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">A single engraved sheet folded and bound at the inner margin—even if attached to a stub that’s bound at the inner margin—is functionally two leaves.
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Neither RDA nor DCRM(B) defines “folded.” But by implication, folded leaves must be unfolded to be used. In this case, the two leaves open naturally; there
is no unfolding to be done.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">I can see the argument for calling it a folded leaf of plates, although I still think [2] leaves of plates is more accurate. The most important thing,
however, is that the statement of extent be unambiguous; whichever description is used, a note describing the plate really should be made. (Just don’t call it “double.”)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" value="+12026750369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a> | <a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467" target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Holzenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 09 June 09 2016 14:15</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_8926538053489519723__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">As a follow-on, as cataloguers, we have rather dug ourselves into a hole with the insistence on “[x] leaf [or leaves]
<b>of plates</b>,” regardless of whether [x] calls for a plural “plates” or not. “[1] leaf of plate” is inelegant, but arguably safer/clearer, particularly in the context of this discussion.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">Eric Holzenberg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">The Grolier Club<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">47 East 60th Street<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">New York, NY 10022<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">phone: <a href="tel:212%2F838-6690%20ext.%201" value="+12128386690" target="_blank">212/838-6690 ext. 1</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Eric Holzenberg
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 9, 2016 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">I agree with Richard absolutely on this. Deborah’s argument is an impressive bit of reasoning, but other issues aside, it does not take the commonsense expectations
of readers, or the observed realities of traditional book making, into account. I would expect anything described as “[2] leaves of plates” to consist of two separate images produced from two distinct plates. I would expect anything described as “[1] folded
leaf of plates” to cover EITHER a folded leaf attached to a stub at one end, or one folded in the middle, and attached to a stub at the gutter. If it was printed from a single plate onto a single leaf, with the intent of presenting a single image, surely it
REMAINS a single leaf, even when folded. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">Eric Holzenberg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">The Grolier Club<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">47 East 60th Street<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">New York, NY 10022<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">phone: <a href="tel:212%2F838-6690%20ext.%201" value="+12128386690" target="_blank">212/838-6690 ext. 1</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">fax: <a href="tel:212%2F838-2445" value="+12128382445" target="_blank">212/838-2445</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">e-mail:
</span><a href="mailto:ejh@grolierclub.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#0563c1">ejh@grolierclub.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">website:
</span><a href="http://www.grolierclub.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#0563c1">www.grolierclub.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1f497d">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 9, 2016 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I must disagree with this--the point of mounting to a stub is precisely
<i>not</i> to have two leaves, but a single leaf that can be fully unfolded. I suppose that could be called a "double" leaf, but "2 leaves" is quite misleading. It can be bound to a stub at center or at one edge, a copy-level binding variation. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The best criterion: does the double-size leaf contain an image that runs across the center, such that binding it as a bifolium would result in a loss of information.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The situation with modern, machine-bound books is rather different: all too often a continuous image is bound as a bifolium--a whole book can consist of such things. Are these "double leaves"?
It's one of those things may want to know--e.g. that it will be impossible to view the image properly in any copy or reproduction.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">It's all a matter of being accurate about "What are you looking at?"/"What are you looking for?"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">If I'm interpreting the images correctly—a single full sheet set oblong, folded in the middle, attached
by a stub, and each resulting leaf is the same size as the other leaves in the bookblock—then what Will has are two leaves of plates.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">See the discussion here:
<a href="https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2015-June/004196.html" target="_blank">
https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2015-June/004196.html</a> </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">In brief, catalogers of early printed western materials will rarely if ever have "double leaves." In Will's
example, these would be double leaves if the sheet were folded, blank verso to blank verso, and the edges pasted or bound into the gutter. This is clearly not what he has.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">If he had folded leaves, when unfolded, they would be larger than the other leaves of the bookblock. This
is clearly not what he has.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">He has a bifolium attached to a stub bound in the gutter. Just the fact that the inner fold can be straightened
out to view both leaves without interference doesn't change the fact that that the book has two leaves, both of which are the same size as or smaller than the other leaves in the bookblock. What he clearly has, in both cases, is [2] leaves of plates.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" target="_blank">
202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">
folger.edu</a> | <a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467" target="_blank">orcid.org/0000-0001-5848-5467</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 06 June 2016 16:09</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I'd think that "folded" is the way to go. It's clearly not intended to be bound into the gutter, which render this matter unusable; and
"folded" allows for the differences that there might well be in different bindings, since one could attach these leaves at one edge, to be folded in.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">That's the problem with "double" vs. "folded"--different descriptions from item-level differences, which one always wants to avoid if
possible.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Will Evans <<a href="mailto:evans@bostonathenaeum.org" target="_blank">evans@bostonathenaeum.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Deborah I’ve attached a few examples of the first situation (can we send attachments via DCRM-L?,) which I hope
are illustrative. The images cover the entire side of a sheet or leaf (verso is blank,) and they are attached to a binding stub at the center.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Prior to the lengthy thread of a few months back, I’m afraid I’ve always counted this as 1 folded leaf of plates.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll have to hunt around for an example of the second situation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 06, 2016 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">Will, can you give us images, to make sure we're all on the same page regarding terminology?
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202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Evans<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 06 June 2016 12:50<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] double plates vs. folded plate</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Sorry to resurrect this thread. I tried piecing to together some understanding of these concepts from the DCRM archives, but
I want to be sure I’ve arrived at the correct conclusion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">If I have an unnumbered double plate (one image covering the entire side of a sheet of which its verso is blank) bound down
the center of the plate, attached to a stub in the binding counts as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">[2] leaves of plates</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">But if an unnumbered folded plate (one image covering the entire side of a sheet of which its verso is blank) is bound-in on
one of its edges it is counted as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">[1] folded leaf of plates</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">I this correct?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Thanks in advance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Will</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif"">Will Evans</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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