<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Matt-</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Did you query the MARC Standards Office about "kobt"? It looks very much like a typo from whatever source that found its way into the two documents. If it is, then it should be corrected asap, before it finds its way into too many records.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Richard</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Matthew C. Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu" target="_blank">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>All, Thanks for the feedback. I submitted a request for a new source code for the Language of Bindings Thesaurus to the MARC standards office on February 5. A new code was announced in the MARC Technical Notice on April 7, but it just came to my attention today:<br><h3>Genre/Form Code and Term Source Codes</h3>
<p>The following source code has been added to the
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Genre/Form Code and Term Source Codes</cite></a> list for usage in
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<ul><li><span>kobt</span> - <span>
Language of Bindings Thesaurus (London: University of Arts)</span></li></ul>Sources:<br><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/tn160406src.html" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/tn160406src.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html</a><br><br><br></div><div>This enables the use of the thesaurus in 655_7 $2 kobt<br><br></div>I would have expected lobt, but both LOC documents do show kobt.<br><br></div>Matt<div><div class="h5"><br><div><div><dl><dt><br></dt></dl><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Carpenter, Jane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu" target="_blank">jfcarpenter@library.ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You’re right—Feb 15<sup>th</sup> is President’s Day! (I didn’t realize….) We’ll reschedule the CV meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider, Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></span></p><div><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also, I went to an ALA reporting meeting at UCLA yesterday and one person reported on a meeting they attended (PCC at Large, I believe) in which expansion of
fields beyond $0 (such as $0 for authorities, $w for works and $4 for bibliographic relationships) help with linking. I believe it’s a pilot of the URI Task Group (I think Jackie Shay – George Washington University -- gave the presentation at Midwinter).
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew C. Haugen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 03, 2016 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Cc:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 08 May 2015 10:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:exlibris-l@list.indiana.edu" target="_blank">exlibris-l@list.indiana.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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out). The accompanying volume, <i>Coming to Terms: guidelines for the description of historical bindings</i> (120,000 words and about 500 illustrations) is now with the designer and will be available later in the summer.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Any word on when the Ligatus thesaurus will be available for general use?<br>
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Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">
djleslie@folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
<a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a><br>
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From: Nicholas Pickwoad [mailto:<a href="mailto:npickwoad@" target="_blank">npickwoad@</a><a href="http://paston.co.uk" target="_blank">paston.co.uk</a>]
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To: <a href="mailto:exlibris-l@list.indiana.edu" target="_blank">exlibris-l@list.indiana.edu</a><br>
Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] "Untrimmed Edges"<br>
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Dear Andy Foster,<br>
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I wrote this last night but had not sent it off before I saw Terry's response. We are largely in agreement, except over the use of the word 'trimmed', as Anglophone binders, of whom I am one, use the word 'cut' for the substantial removal of the edges of the
leaves across a whole bookblock, while 'trim' has a sense in English of a much lighter cut than is usually seen on most books. We will include 'trim' as an alternative term for 'cut', and the community at large will decide which it prefers. These differences
in terminology between the practitioners and the users are not uncommon. For most binders, cutting is done in a 'cutting' or 'laying press'; there is no piece of equipment called a 'trimming press'.<br>
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We have tried to sort this out for the Ligatus thesaurus as follows: As the treatment of the individual edges of any bookblock can be different, you always need to make clear whether you are describing all or only one or two of the edges. Deckle (not deckled)
edges will, as you indicate, appear on the bookblock edges according to how the sheet of handmade paper is folded, and will, under normal circumstances, be present on all three outer edges only on folio format books, and on the fore- and tail edges of quartos,
etc. The term 'rough edges' is a somewhat archaic form of 'deckle edges' (it was used in the eighteenth century), but all such edges are 'uncut edges'. The term 'rough cut' is rather different and means the same as the term 'rough trimmed' as in rough trimmed
edges' (defined in the Ligatus thesaurus as: "Uneven edges in which leaves or groups of leaves were trimmed, often by hand with shears, either before the book was sewn or after to remove the oversized leaves which would otherwise have projected from the edge
of the bookblock. A rough-trimmed edge is therefore very different from one that is 'cut solid' with a plough or draw knife (or, more recently, a guillotine). Edges of both sorts can be found on the same bookblock"). Although the terms 'cutting' and 'trimming'
have been used to mean the same things (cutting solid with a plough, etc.), we are suggesting that only the term 'cutting' is used for this, and 'trimming' be reserved for 'rough trimming', in the hopes of keeping the two different processes distinct.
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Bolts on the folded edges of leaves will be cut off by edge cutting (or indeed to some extent by rough trimming) and the textblock thus 'opened', but bolts can be 'opened' individually without cutting the edge of the bookblock, leaving any deckle edges intact.
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On 7 May 2015, at 20:14, Milton & Hubble Books <<a href="mailto:andy@miltonandhubble.com" target="_blank">andy@miltonandhubble.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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I'm pondering the terms for describing edges in fine press books with hand made paper. <br>
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Should the term "Deckled Edges " or "Rough Edges" be used only when such edges are present Head, Fore, and Tail - that is ALL EDGES? What if such Rough Edges should remain on the sheet edge, but appear in the book together with trimmed edges - sometimes
on the Head edge, sometimes on the Fore Edge, or sometimes on more than one edge, as folding would have it?<br>
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Should the term "Untrimmed Edges" be a safe catch-all phrase, encompassing all possibilities including unopened edges as well as these cases of scattered deckled edges?<br>
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Thank you for your kind assistance!<br>
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Andy Foster<br>
Milton and Hubble Books<br>
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