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<p>Bibframe was supposed to make FRBR work. In 2015 I went to a workshop where someone (I forget who) from Library of Congress said the go-live date for Bibframe was between 5 years and never.</p>
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<p>Anyway, we don't even catalog works. We catalog manifestations of expressions.</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> on behalf of Gemberling, Ted P <tgemberl@uab.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2016 5:42:26 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It just occurred to me to make a broader point. FRBR was supposed to solve the problem of bound withs. Since you would have Work, Expression, and Manifestation
records for each work, all you had to do with a bound with was create one bib record that had links to the various Manifestations. All the work related to the authors, titles and subjects would be taken care of. But since almost no catalogs have really become
fully FRBR-ized, we’re stuck with this problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ted Gemberling
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nipps, Karen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Two publications bound together<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Some ILS’s are better at handling this than others. At Harvard, where we use Aleph, we have concocted a local field in the holding record that directs a patron
to the first bib record for availability options. Clunky, but it works. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Two publications bound together<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">This is
<i>such</i> a vexing situation, and hard to believe that rare materials libraries are still trying to make do with extremely primitive ways of handling sammelbands after decades of online systems. If you have an online circulation system that depends on a barcode,
you can only barcode the physical item. But standards for good cataloging require separate records for different bibliographical entities. If one title in the volume is charged, each title in the opac should show as charged.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">What about making a single brief parent record for the physical volume and barcode that, and make analytical linking bib records for the individual titles. Would
that get around the problem? (It depends on the system in question, of course.) <o:p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Katharine Chandler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 30 August 2016 09:41<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Two publications bound together<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had a system where I couldn't link them and I created (or imported) separate records for each publication in the Sammelband. I then made sure I had a note field explaining it was bound with (each title listed, exactly as in its own record)
and made sure I had a subject heading for <b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333">Sammelbände.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure if this is what other people do, but it worked where I was at that time and made the volume searchable by the other titles, and by the subject heading.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:34 AM, dawn.grattino <<a href="mailto:dawn.grattino@cpl.org" target="_blank">dawn.grattino@cpl.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I can only have 1 record and 1 barcode in my ILS. So, I am stuck with somehow trying to represent this single item which contains 2 unrelated titles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Help!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Christopher D. Cook <<a href="mailto:cdcook2@gmail.com" target="_blank">cdcook2@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2016 12:49:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Two publications bound together</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Typically you would not create record to describe the two titles together. You would catalog each title on individual OCLC records without any mention of the other title. The exception is if they were *issued* together which these were
not as they were published 70 years apart. You link the titles in your local catalog, the procedure for which varies from institution to institution and system to system.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:54 AM, dawn.grattino <<a href="mailto:dawn.grattino@cpl.org" target="_blank">dawn.grattino@cpl.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Please excuse me if this question has an obvious answer. I am still a novice and have been unable to find the instructions I need.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I have two unrelated publications about the knight in chess that were published separately approximately 70 years apart and are bound together. The record in OCLC for
this item is incorrect. In fact there are 3 records for it, 2 of them derived from the incorrect record created by my institution in 1981 (#7114873). I am now tasked with correcting this record.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The first title Corsa del cavallo per tutt' i scacchi dello scacchiere is only 11 pages. The second title, Del cavallo degli scacchi is represented individually by #7114866.
It is 69 plus pages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I really don't want to base the record in the 11 page item and say Bound with: the longer item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I can use the title on the spine of the book for the 245 and put the titles for both books in the 505, and use 7xx fields to represent them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The first book does not list an author, but I found a reference to it that indicates that the publisher might be the author. I think I will ignore this speculation and
make that one title main entry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">My question is how do I handle the publication information for each item? I have nice title pages for each that give me publication info and dates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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