<div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">I only record copy-specific things in a 500 if I think it might help some other cataloger identify the manifestation, as when, for example, they might have a copy more or less complete than mine. </span><br></div>Ted--exactly. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Noble, Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The reason why we catalog things is that librarians retire and die, and take their knowledge with them out the door and into the ground--where it's very hard to look up ...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_1639638117969084010gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Gemberling, Ted P <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I agree with your attitude. I only record copy-specific things in a 500 if I think it might help some other cataloger identify the manifestation, as when, for
example, they might have a copy more or less complete than mine. But I know there are people on the list who believe it’s absolutely essential to include more copy-specific notes than that on the master record.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As for the Robert Frost poem, I would think a volume with such a poem would be part of one’s special collections. Presumably there would be a special collections
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu<wbr>.edu</a>]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Adding local copy information to an OCLC master record<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="m_1639638117969084010h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">As both a rare-book cataloguer and an independent scholar who leans heavily on copy-specific notes about provenance, I never look for copy-specific notes--however important--in OCLC. I go to local OPACS for that. <br>
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My tendency is to delete copy-specific notes when I see them in master records. I assume that whatever institution recorded them has duplicated those notes in their own OPAC.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Ah. Well found, that passage, though this is a case where permissiveness really needs to be tempered by the included cautionary note: "</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Consider
the usefulness of the information in accessing and identifying the item versus the likelihood that the record will be used in copy-cataloging or found by others who will <strong><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">not</span></strong> need
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">One mental test might be, "Would it be worth separately cataloging those annotations as a manuscript?" Just as one might do with, say, a copy of a Robert Frost edition
with an author inscription including the whole text of a poem (something he did a lot). If the answer is yes, do that; if not, depend on the local record alone as the means of access.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">All the more reason to mourn the demise of IRs, by which such potentially useful information could be found in a single search.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">According to OCLC’s bib formats and standards, copy specific information can be added to the master record for rare and special collections materials.<u></u><u></u></p>
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