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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">Hi Francis,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">Do you know if OCLC doesn’t recognizing the subtlety or if they are intentionally ignoring it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">I recently (October 3) submitted an error report to OCLC # 1656076, Autographs for freedom, when the bib didn’t show up with “Not Internet” selected, assuming
the 007 was added in error. In this case I was searching for a known item by OCLC #, so I knew it had to be there somewhere. I don’t really want to think about the number of bibs I didn’t find because “Not Microform” and “Not Internet” are the default selection
in my searching.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">Honor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">Honor Moody<br>
Cataloger<br>
Schlesinger Library<br>
Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study<br>
3 James Street<br>
Cambridge, MA 02138<br>
Tel.: (617) 495-4223<br>
Email: hmoody@radcliffe.harvard.edu</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 04, 2016 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] MARC 856 and links to electronic reproductions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks to all for the variety of thoughtful perspectives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">It’s interesting that the mere presence of an 856 field leads some agencies to consider the record as mixed (print/electronic). Is it really? In the context described
in this thread, the 856 is (quoting MARC): “… used to locate and access an electronic version of
<i>a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record</i> or a related electronic resource.” MARC definition of second indicator “1” provides reinforcement: “… In this case, the item represented by the bibliographic record is not electronic but
an electronic version is available.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">OCLC, alas, doesn’t recognize this subtlety. Presence of an 856 appears to result in a record treated as “Internet,” regardless of record coding. Any Connexion search
executed with the “Not Internet” limit will exclude all records containing an 856 (gah!). This conclusion is based on limited tinkering; I’d be happy to be wrong.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Herring-Harrington, Lydia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] MARC 856 and links to electronic reproductions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At Tufts, we do create separate records for digitized versions of our special collections material in our ILS, since it is our institutional policy not to mix print and electronic
on the same record. We also add the digitized version and relevant metadata to our institutional repository.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E74B5">Lydia Herring-Harrington<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Electronic Resources and Metadata Services Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tisch Library | Tufts University<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(617) 627-0951<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:lydia.herring_harrington@tufts.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">lydia.herring_harrington@tufts.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sotelo, Aislinn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] MARC 856 and links to electronic reproductions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Instead of linking of other institutions’ digitized copies of works you hold by adding an 856, is anyone bringing in separate electronic resources records for
digitized versions? Or does anyone’s institution make it a practice to import all HathiTrust records into your catalog, or the records that your institution has contributed? Or, does anyone’s LSP discovery layer search the HathiTrust catalog and integrate
search results in your display? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#13294B">Aislinn Sotelo
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#13294B"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#404040">Director of Metadata Services
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#404040">The Library | University of California, San Diego
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#13294B">t
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#404040">858-534-6766 |</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#404040">
</span><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#13294B">e </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#404040"><a href="mailto:asotelo@ucsd.edu"><span style="color:#404040">asotelo@ucsd.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#404040"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fell, Todd<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] MARC 856 and links to electronic reproductions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Just to clarify: “idealized” was a term used by the curator, not me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Todd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 03, 2016 10:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] MARC 856 and links to electronic reproductions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Fell, Todd <<a href="mailto:todd.fell@yale.edu" target="_blank">todd.fell@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our catalog ought to describe our particular copy (albeit employing shared bibliographic standards), not an idealized version.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">I hope it remains understood that the proper basis for description of a particular copy is "ideal copy" description--not, I should emphasize, "idealized version", whatever we might take that to
mean.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">"Ideal copy"--a descriptive category, not a Platonic entity--was an unfortunate choice of term to designate all those elements of a body of books that evidence their membership in nested sets called
edition, issue (the basic unit of ideal copy description, and what we basically mean by "manifestation") and state, the last comprising isolated variations among copies that do not give rise to separate classification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In ISBD(A) ideal copy description was mandated as the basic goal of "antiquarian" cataloging, which requires conscious assessment, based on more or less research as the situation warrants or allows,
to establish that any one copy is subsumed under a given manifestation, which can also mean recording variants that correspond to states, in order not to prevent the creation of false manifestations. This goal is stated, in other words, in DCRM(B) Introduction,
III.1.1. (perhaps wisely avoiding the word "ideal").<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">OCLC master records are manifestation records, and those of us who tag them dcrmb need to be aware at all times of those things which do belong in the "master record", and those which do not. This
goes beyond "shared bibliographic standards", which are simply devices to support the application of the underlying principles, and may need the occasional twist or bend to help us reach the goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">This may be an over-reaction--but my teaching experience has always been that "ideal" and "idealized" (or "perfect" or "actually good, unlike this depressing example of the printer's art") are too
commonly mixed up, and have to be directly addressed again and again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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