<div dir="ltr">I'm hesitant to reply because I feel like I'm missing something, but why would you not use 655 fields for paper terms if the brochure is about General Mills recruitment, not about paper?<div><br>Christopher D. Cook</div><div>Special Collections Cataloging Coordinator</div><div>The Ohio State University</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Schneider, Nina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu" target="_blank">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I just came across a real-life situation in which adding subfield $5 to subject headings might actually work:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">A few years ago, the Clark Library received a donation of a few hundred books and pamphlets relating to the printing and paper industry that belonged to a collector and graphic arts instructor. I’m finishing
up the last shelf and have just run across a 24 page recruitment brochure for General Mills (which also owns Eddie Bauer and the Olive Garden – who knew?). There are two stickers adhered to the front cover of this brochure. One is from Zellerbach Paper Co.,
the other has specs on the paper and printing technique to create this brochure. The reason this was collected is because it’s a sample of specific papers with their printing properties. It was likely distributed by Zellerbach to their own clients.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I will catalog it in OCLC as a General Mills recruitment brochure but if subfield $5 is approved, I could add additional subject access for paper and printing headings.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Nina M. Schneider<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Rare Books Librarian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">2520 Cimarron Street<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Los Angeles, CA 90018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:(323)%20731-8529" value="+13237318529" target="_blank">(323) 731-8529</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu" target="_blank">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: MARC Advisory Committee papers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Francis. The questions at the end of Discussion Paper no. 2017-DP05 are interesting and relevant to our community. I think it would be helpful if we could provide feedback.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">The questions are:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<h2 style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;color:black">5. QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSSION<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
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<strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5.1.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Is the need to provide the information that a specific
institution has added a subject heading according to its rules and regulations to a MARC record esteemed beneficial?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5.2.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Does the definition of a subfield $5 in the fields
6XX solve the issue?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5.3.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Or is there an existing format element which can
be used instead?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">5.4.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Are there any potential problems that should be taken
into account?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There have been times when I’ve cataloged something and hoped to use a 6xx field to help locate materials on a specific subject. In fact, there are many instances of acquiring certain materials we wouldn’t consider
otherwise based solely on the subject of one aspect of the manifestation – a mention of Oscar Wilde’s tombstone in a book on stonecutting, for example. Our Wilde scholars would like to know that there is information about Epstein’s work in an unexpected resource,
but aren’t interested in in the subject of stonecutting. Since this piece of information is important to us, but not to everyone else, the subfield $5 is one way to handle it...but this information is not copy-specific and I think that it could become confusing
for researchers. Librarians and catalogers have become accustomed to understanding subfield $5 as copy-specific, so would adding it to additional 6xx fields cause unnecessary confusion? I know there is (or was) a 69x field for local subject access fields.
Perhaps this could be used instead and if there are multiple libraries from the same institution interested in different aspects of a work, they could add their own institution code to subfield $5.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Nina M. Schneider<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Rare Books Librarian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">2520 Cimarron Street<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Los Angeles, CA 90018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:(323)%20731-8529" value="+13237318529" target="_blank">(323) 731-8529</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.<wbr>byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] MARC Advisory Committee papers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The Midwinter agenda of the MARC Advisory Committee is now available here (<a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/mw2017_age.html" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/<wbr>mw2017_age.html</a>), and copied below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">At least two agenda topics may be of particular interest to our community:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-2511401601041726738MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Proposal No. 2017-05: Defining a New Subfield in Field 340 to Record Color Content in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP05: Providing Institution Level Information by Defining Subfield $5 in the 6XX Fields of the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I’d be happy to forward any comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Francis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">MARC Advisory Committee<br>
(MAC)<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">ALA Midwinter CONFERENCE<br>
January 21-22, 2017</span><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><br>
Atlanta, GA<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">DRAFT AGENDA (December 13, 2016)<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
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<strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">S</span></strong><strong><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">aturday, January 21, 2017, 8:30-10:00 a.m.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">(Georgia
World Congress Center (GWCC), A316)</span></em><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Introduction of members<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Approval of minutes from MAC's June 2016 meetings<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-01.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-01</a>: Redefining Subfield $4 to Encompass URIs for Relationships in the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP01 (pending): Use of $0 and $1 to Capture Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) in MARC 21 Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-dp02.html" target="_blank">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP02</a>: Defining Field 758 (Related Work Identifier) in the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-02.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-02</a>: Defining New Subfields $i, $3, and $4 in Field 370 of the MARC 21 Bibliographic and Authority Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-03.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-03</a>: Defining New Subfields $i and $4 in Field 386 of the MARC 21 Bibliographic and Authority Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Business meeting/Library of Congress report/Other<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Sunday, January 22, 2017, 3:00-5:30 p.m.</span></strong><span class="m_-2511401601041726738apple-converted-space"><b><span style="color:black"> </span></b></span><em><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">(Georgia
World Congress Center (GWCC), A316)</span></em><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Continuation of any discussion from previous meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-04.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-04</a>: Using a Classification Record Control Number as a Link in the MARC 21 Bibliographic and Authority Formats<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-05.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-05</a>: Defining a New Subfield in Field 340 to Record Color Content in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-06.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-06</a>: Adding Subfields $b, $2, and $0 to Field 567 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-07.html" target="_blank">Proposal No. 2017-07</a>: Adding Value “No information provided” to the First Indicator of Field 070 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-dp03.html" target="_blank">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP03</a>: Defining New Fields to Record Accessibility Content in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-dp04.html" target="_blank">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP04</a>: Defining Subfields $u, $r and $z in Field 777 of the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2017/2017-dp05.html" target="_blank">Discussion Paper No. 2017-DP05</a>: Providing Institution Level Information by Defining Subfield $5 in the 6XX Fields of the MARC 21 Bibliographic
Format<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Semilight"">Francis Lapka · Catalog Librarian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Semilight"">Dept. of Rare Books and Manuscripts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Semilight"">Yale Center for British Art<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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