<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you for your thoughtful answer, Erin. You eloquently put to words that distinction that I was muddling over.</div><div><br></div><div>In those situations where both are known the addition of both terms and a note strikes me as the ideal solution. I'm reminded of my studio art courses in undergrad. At times an instructor would show us work in class (digitized, reproduced in books, etc.) and sometimes we'd go to special collections and look at the originals themselves. Both had their own pedagogical aims just as users might approach the bibliographic record through one or the other illustration genre terms.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div>Matt</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Erin Blake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:EBlake@folger.edu" target="_blank">EBlake@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Great question. One of the points I like to make when teaching "The History of Printed Book Illustration in the West" at Rare Book school is that, from the
19th century onward, "illustration technique" and "printing technique" don't always match.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My go-to example for class discussion is an 1860s edition of
<i>Mr. Sponge's Sporting Tour</i>. The list of illustrations is headed "Engravings on steel" even though they're actually transfer lithographs of steel engravings (which were printed from steel plates in the first edition, 1853). So… what are they, engravings
or lithographs? The point of the discussion is to explore the divide between "illustration technique" as an aesthetic choice and "printing technique" as a practical matter of book production. People in class generally come around to agreeing that the
<i>illustration</i> technique is steel engraving, and the <i>printing</i> technique is transfer lithography, so both terms are appropriate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">If it's institutional policy to provide access to specific types of print, and you know for-sure what both are, then I'd provide both terms in the 655, and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">However…. as you say, it can be impossible to tell the difference between a wood engraving and a stereotype of a wood engraving. The safe bet would be to use
the broader term "Relief prints" and move on. Maybe someone down the line will find the answer in the publisher's archives. That also lets
<i>you</i> know that you didn't just forget to add the 655. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.<wbr>byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Ducmanas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:47 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] illustration technique / reproduction technique<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I recently posed a question regarding illustrations to some former Rare Book School colleagues as well as the always helpful Deborah J. Leslie. She suggested I might ask it here as well.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">The question pertains largely to those of you who regularly trace illustration types in your records. Is there a common practice when tracing reproductions of illustrations that differ in technique?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">For example, if you have an item containing wood engravings that have been either stereotyped or reproduced in some photoengraved fashion, do you still use a 655 for wood engravings? Or do you leave the tracing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I can see utility in tracing an illustration made from a stereotyped wood engraving block as "Wood engravings" since the stereotype would make such a close reproduction (not to even mention the difficulty of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Though I imagine there has to be limits to this approach otherwise we'd end up in the strange situation of, for example, tracing a relief halftone or offset lithograph reproduction as the original illustrative
technique. I've seen books with relief halftone reproductions of etchings. Seems wrong to trace that as an etching.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Matthew Ducmanas</i><u></u><u></u></p>
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