<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Debora:<br><br></div>I was thinking along the same lines as Mark. Basically: arrange pre-instruction to bring novices up to a reasonable level. I don't think it's fair to mix catalogers and non-catalogers in the same class, for either group. <br><br> Maybe a new RBS course could be developed ("Basic Rare Book Cataloging for Non-Catalogers")?<br><br></div>Bob Steele<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Mark Seidl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marseidl@vassar.edu" target="_blank">marseidl@vassar.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Debora--<br><br></div>My sense is that there are a fair number of people who teach basic cataloging online for various MLS programs. (I'm thinking specifically of my own cataloging instructor, the excellent Rick Block, currently Metadata Librarian at Seattle University.) If you could find an willing instructor or two, you could connect that person and a group of people who want to take your course but need the background in basic cataloging. For perhaps a nominal fee, the instructor could lead the group through a series of online exercises designed to teach cataloging essentials.<br><br></div>Hope this helps, if only a little bit.<br><br></div>All best,<br><br></div>Mark Seidl<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I’d like to brainstorm ideas for preparing potential students to take my
<a href="http://rarebookschool.org/courses/library/l30/" target="_blank">Rare Book School class</a> who don’t have original cataloging experience. I’ve always considered it essential that students walk into the class with enough active mastery of general cataloging rules that
they can competently populate a blank MARC workform, and that experience doing original cataloging is what provides necessary active competence.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">What can I tell people whose jobs involve cataloging rare books, whose institutions are willing to invest in their training, but are not in a position to give them background experience with original
cataloging? What about people whose ambition is to be a rare book cataloger, but again, are not in a position to develop experience in original cataloging of general materials? It seems neither fair nor ultimately beneficial to shut these people out.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">When pressed in the past, I’ve recommended that individuals sit down with the rules and practice original cataloging of older books (published before 1970 or so) at hand, advising against looking
them up in OCLC or the LC catalog; older books don’t have CIP and are unlikely to have AACR2 or RDA cataloging. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Are there more effective ways to get adequate practice in original cataloging? Better ways to gain the necessary competence so they can hit the ground running on Day 1 of class?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">All thoughts and suggestions welcome, even half-baked ones. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-5512303884815571650m_2114399550290526083MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, MA, MLS | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
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