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<p>In my experience as a supervisor and trainer, while it can be a big leap from "passive" cataloging to creating a record from scratch, I have never found it to be insurmountable.
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<p>For experienced copy-catalogers, what about having them submit examples of records they have enhanced? Showing the before-and-after of going from a very basic/minimal-level record to a more fleshed out record with notes, etc. You could ask them to explain
their choices, and I think it would give you a sense of their instincts and knowledge base.</p>
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<p>Ann K.D. Myers</p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#993366">Thanks all for the good ideas so far. Keep them coming.
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#993366">One of the nuts I'm trying to crack is that of the experienced copy cataloger. My experience as a teacher has shown that it's usually too big of a leap from (what I'll call for lack
of a better word) "passive" competence in cataloging to comfort in creating a record from scratch.
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#993366">Of course, opportunities for totally original cataloging nowadays are pretty slim, even for original catalogers. What I guess I'm looking for is evidence of the ability to create solid
descriptions based on knowledgeable application of a cataloging code. Perhaps I can re-word requirements for cataloging samples to make that clearer, so that applicants without job-related cataloging to offer can do what they need to do to prepare, and aren't
necessarily at a disadvantage during the application process. </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt; color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, MA, MLS | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@folger.edu | 201 East Capitol Street, S.E. | Washington, DC 20003 | 202.675-0369 | orcid.org 0000-0001-5848-5467</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stewart, Duncan R<br>
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<span style="color:#1F497D">Along those lines, you might ask student to try and arrange a short job shadow/internship/mentorship with a working cataloger. One of my students who attended your class recently, came into cataloging through the extracurricular
mentorship that our library offers to SLIS students. Librarians volunteer to mentor students, who come in on their own time and without credit or payment, to give them a hands on look at academic librarianship. My student did a semester long mentorship, then
a semester long practicum/individual study in special collections cataloging with me, then was hired as a student cataloger to create original RDA records for a collection of 18<sup>th</sup> century French pamphlets. She was hired as metadata/rare materials
cataloger by our unit when she graduated from library school. I know that this is a special case, but I think that a motivated student or a working cataloger with interest could arrange some basic cataloging practice.
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<span style="color:#1F497D">Maybe even more of a stretch—email library schools, or find another way, to find students interested in cataloging and match them with volunteer librarians to work together online. My experience with the students who have done mentorships
or worked with me in special collections is that they would all be able to take advantage of your class based on what they have picked up here.</span></p>
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<span style="color:#1F497D">There are several good books that serve as a crash intro to RDA cataloging. Cataloguing and Classification / by Fotis Lazarinis, Practical cataloging / Anne Welsh and Sue Batley, and Crash course in basic cataloging with RDA / Heather
Lea Moulaison and Raegan Wiechert all give an introduction both to theory (FRBR, RDA) and practical cataloging instruction. I used the Moulaison book last year in my beginning cataloging class at UIowa SLIS, but switched to the more complete Introduction to
cataloging and classification, 11<sup>th</sup> edition because it was more useful in a semester long class.</span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#666666">“Dico Tibi Verum, Libertas Optima Rerum: Nunquam Servili Sub Nexu Vivito, Fili [My Son, Freedom is best, I tell thee true, of all things to be won. Then never live within the
Bond of Slavery]”</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#666666"><br>
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<b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Dear colleagues,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I’d like to brainstorm ideas for preparing potential students to take my
<a href="http://rarebookschool.org/courses/library/l30/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">
Rare Book School class</a> who don’t have original cataloging experience. I’ve always considered it essential that students walk into the class with enough active mastery of general cataloging rules that they can competently populate a blank MARC workform,
and that experience doing original cataloging is what provides necessary active competence.
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">What can I tell people whose jobs involve cataloging rare books, whose institutions are willing to invest in their training, but are not in a position to give them background experience with original cataloging? What
about people whose ambition is to be a rare book cataloger, but again, are not in a position to develop experience in original cataloging of general materials? It seems neither fair nor ultimately beneficial to shut these people out.
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">When pressed in the past, I’ve recommended that individuals sit down with the rules and practice original cataloging of older books (published before 1970 or so) at hand, advising against looking them up in OCLC or
the LC catalog; older books don’t have CIP and are unlikely to have AACR2 or RDA cataloging. </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Are there more effective ways to get adequate practice in original cataloging? Better ways to gain the necessary competence so they can hit the ground running on Day 1 of class?
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">All thoughts and suggestions welcome, even half-baked ones. </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, MA, MLS | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
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<span style="color:#31849B">djleslie@folger.edu</span></a> | 201 East Capitol Street, S.E. | Washington, DC 20003 | 202.675-0369 | orcid.org 0000-0001-5848-5467</span></p>
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