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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I like the idea of cataloging advertisements separately -- and if my institution's mission was focused on the history of advertising, or of machine-press printing,
I'd probably advocate doing that. Meanwhile, I'll settle for noting their presence and a caption title, to make it keyword searchable. But even that is a hard sell up the management chain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Then, as my volunteer retirement project, I'd come back and make separate records for the advertisements. And for illustrations. And for endleaves. And for
bindings. And for distinct decorative tool marks on bindings…….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Erin C. Blake, Ph.D. | Head of Collection Information Services | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 | <a href="mailto:eblake@folger.edu" target="_blank">eblake@folger.edu</a> | office tel. <a href="tel:%2B1%20202-675-0323" target="_blank">+1
202-675-0323</a> | fax <a href="tel:%2B1%20202-675-0328" target="_blank">+1 202-675-0328</a> | <a href="http://www.folger.edu/" target="_blank">www.folger.edu</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN LANCASTER<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 30, 2017 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Treatment of advertisements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect the "also" applies to the qualification "in publishers' covers".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm strongly inclined to treat separable advertisements as manifestations of separate works, using a 501 note, and catalogue them separately - especially when (as is not infrequently the case) they have a different printer's imprint, or
a date (often month as well as year) that varies, from that of the main manifestation in the volume. Few of these will have survived independently, but sometimes the same printing of ads will turn up in copies of manifestations of different works, or different
manifestations of the same work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just another area where OCLC's master record approach creates real issues for those interested in printing/publishing matters.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Lancaster<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017 Jun 30, at 17:07, Noble, Richard <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The example cited
<i>is</i> a "machine-press" book (Lee & Shepard was established in 1862), noted in response because "also applies to machine-press books" would seem to imply that this is not such a book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Anyway, advertisements will almost always (a little whimper of an "almost", that) be found, often in multiple forms, in multiples of copies; and it is especially in machine-press books that non-integral
advertisements may be regarded as evidence of conditions of issue that ought not to be overlooked in manifestation-level description.<br>
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I'm in favor of the quasi-copy-level--call it "sub-manifestation"?--note (500 with $5) that accounts for such evidence, since 590s are now invisible outside institutional databases, a survey of which is seldom practicable or economically defensible in the course
of cataloging that might otherwise benefit from the information--that is, make for a better informed account of the copy-in-hand, advertisements and all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu/" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Situation: Tendency to include advertisement leaves in physical description instead of copy note</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">DCRM(B) 5B5.2 makes it clear that for pages containing only advertisements, the default is to treat them as copy-specific unless there
is definitive evidence that they were printed as part of the publication text block. Evidence is provided by: integral nature of the adverts to gatherings of text, continuous paging, continuous signatures, or a catchword connecting the adverts to the text.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">590 ǂa UW-Madison copy: [6] pages of publisher's advertisements at end with caption "List of books recently published by Lee & Shepard."
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">655 7 ǂa Publishers' advertisements. ǂ2 rbgenr ǂ5 WU</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">This stricture also applies to machine-press books in publishers' covers. I'm not sure about 20th-century practices, but in the 19th
century, advertisements were added to text blocks at the binding stage. An excellent illustration of varying adverts can be found by comparing the several digitized copies of An American girl abroad (1872) available from Hathi Trust:
<a href="https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005777308" target="_blank">https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005777308</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie, MA, MLS | Senior Cataloger, Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | 201 East Capitol Street, S.E. | Washington, DC 20003 |
<a href="tel:(202)%20675-0369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | <a href="http://orcid.org/" target="_blank">
orcid.org</a> 0000-0001-5848-5467</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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