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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">This is a pleasantly tidy resolution to my query. Thank you CV editorial group! Thanks also to all who responded, with a special nod to Matt’s nuanced message.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Hildebrand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Deborah Leslie (djleslie@folger.edu) <djleslie@folger.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] letter authorship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Deborah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The CV editorial group gave final approval to “sender” this morning. We used the SN last suggested in this thread:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rbms.info_cv-2Dcomments_2017_08_07_term-2Dsender_&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=jrWJXl6NwKnAswBXMUyz4gwgwml2Fnao_95lEQ2zkjY&m=AdUpO74i5tA3jx9yEEMUepEySg1hf9nIHRE7I7R5ew0&s=e3zi1aHRgAndngmmYWxmKJsVLDYntOFjAfMcnFZYwHY&e=">
http://rbms.info/cv-comments/2017/08/07/term-sender/</a>. This was the final term in our last round of work, and I sent updated files to the web editors a few minutes ago. These terms will be available in the next CV update (I am guessing this will happen in
the next week or so).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ryan Hildebrand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Authorities & Special Collections Cataloging Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">University of Oregon Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eugene OR 97403-1299<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 05, 2017 9:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] letter authorship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">According to the
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rbms.info_files_committees_minutes_2017_vocabminutes17a.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=jrWJXl6NwKnAswBXMUyz4gwgwml2Fnao_95lEQ2zkjY&m=AdUpO74i5tA3jx9yEEMUepEySg1hf9nIHRE7I7R5ew0&s=quB4a001xvsV3t67T9JVeP1GSPdmAZjgkQJ_3FtZl3Y&e="><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Controlled
Vocabularies minutes</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">, 'bearer' was approved and 'sender' was tentatively approved, pending feedback. What is the status of final approval for 'sender'? And for updating the
database to include 'bearer'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Is the RSC really still desirous of building its relationship designator lists? I have an (unconfirmed) understanding that RDA intended to step back from that responsibility
in favor of specialist communities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#5F497A">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
</span><a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">djleslie@folger.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#5F497A"> |<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew C. Haugen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 05 October, 2017 11:48<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] letter authorship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Maria and Francis,<br>
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MARC relators and RDA relationship designators were reconciled in 2013 and details are given in this announcement from May 31, 2013:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.loc.gov_marc_annmarcrdarelators.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=jrWJXl6NwKnAswBXMUyz4gwgwml2Fnao_95lEQ2zkjY&m=AdUpO74i5tA3jx9yEEMUepEySg1hf9nIHRE7I7R5ew0&s=cbjq6TT0zlE_vJ_bfDNtsvXooyPToue8S-7D7NiS-6Q&e=" target="_blank">
http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roles that essentially mean the same thing but use different terms have been brought together, either using the MARC term or the RDA term. Many role terms were the same, but when they differed the RDA term was preferred in many cases. In the cases where the
terms were different there are references in the form of alternate labels from the unused form and they are designated in terms of their source, MARC or RDA.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
Where the RDA term was used instead of the MARC term, the code was retained unchanged even if it is no longer mnemonic.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The PCC Standing Committee on Training (SCT) Training Manual for Applying Relationship Designators in Bibliographic Records (2015) guideline 2 indicates:
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is recommended that PCC catalogers use relationship designators from the RDA appendices. If the term needed is not there, use the PCC relationship designator proposal form to propose a new term or request a revision of an existing term.<br>
If a PCC cataloger wishes to use a term from a different registered vocabulary (e.g., MARC relator terms, RBMS relationship designators, etc.), he/she may do so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">RBMS and other specialized lists aren't obligated to reconcile their terms with RDA. But there's no current means in MARC for indicating the source of the relationship designator, so this could result in some
confusion and mess if/when these relationships are converted into linked data triples in the future.<br>
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I believe RSC's moratorium on new relationship designator proposals is still in place, and I think the RBMS Controlled Vocabularies Editorial Group has proposed a moratorium on new terms, too, so any new terms and/or reconciliation of existing terms might have
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<p class="MsoNormal">For Francis's letters, until such time as "sender" is established in one of the sources, maybe the more general "correspondent" from RBMS might be applicable to senders or other parties in a correspondence?<br>
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As for whether the author is the secretary or the person/family/corporate body on whose behalf the secretary writes, is it helpful to draw a distinction (or maybe a spectrum) between 1) the secretary-as-author responsible for the content written on behalf of
another party who originated/caused the letter to be issued (as in your example), and 2) a secretary-as-producer of the manifestation who acts solely as a typist, copyist, transcriber, etc. of correspondence whose content was authored by another agent?<br>
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I assume the secretary is more likely to be named in the first case. For the latter case, RDA has no designators for producers of manifestations. The MARC or RBMS relationship designator "Scribe" seems to be the closest match, if somewhat anachronistic, for
a secretary who takes dictation, or serves as a copyist, typist, etc. on behalf of someone else: "Use for the amanuensis and for the writer of manuscripts proper."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1)<br>
Secretary, $e author.<br>
Hambledon, Lord, $e issuing body [correspondent, contributor, etc.?]<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hambleden, Lord, $e author.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Secretary, $e scribe [producer, contributor?]<br>
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Or some such letters might be a case of administrative, etc. correspondence that would be considered to have a corporate creator, with a secretary as a contributor to the content and/or producer of the manifestation. Maybe there is even some case to be made
for treating <span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"Hambleden" and other landed nobility as a sort of jurisdictional or governmental corporate body inclusive of the incumbent Lord Hambleden and his secretaries, employees, etc. who collectively administer
and issue letters on behalf of that title, somewhat similar to the case for official communiques of heads of state, popes, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>In many cases, I imagine the person or body on whose behalf the letter is being written might have a subject relationship to the letter as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Maria Oldal <<a href="mailto:oldalm@themorgan.org" target="_blank">oldalm@themorgan.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you, or anyone else on the list, know the background of the change? The code remained "rcp." I wonder what exactly necessitated this. Will the RBMS relator term change as well?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Erin Blake <<a href="mailto:EBlake@folger.edu" target="_blank">EBlake@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">This is an example of how "sender" can be a useful relationship designator. See
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rbms.info_cv-2Dcomments_2017_08_07_term-2Dsender_&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=jrWJXl6NwKnAswBXMUyz4gwgwml2Fnao_95lEQ2zkjY&m=AdUpO74i5tA3jx9yEEMUepEySg1hf9nIHRE7I7R5ew0&s=e3zi1aHRgAndngmmYWxmKJsVLDYntOFjAfMcnFZYwHY&e=" target="_blank">http://rbms.info/cv-comments/2017/08/07/term-sender/</a><span style="color:#1F497D">
for the current discussion. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#666666;background:white">Scope note:</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#666666;background:white"> Use for the entity from whom correspondence
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<i>Broader Term:</i> correspondent</span><br>
<i><span style="background:white">Related Term:</span></i><span style="background:white"> recipient</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Erin C. Blake, Ph.D. | Head of Collection Information Services | Folger Shakespeare Library | </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3D201-2BE.-2BCapitol-2BSt.-2BSE-2C-2BWashington-2C-2BDC-2C-2B20003-26entry-3Dgmail-26source-3Dg&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=jrWJXl6NwKnAswBXMUyz4gwgwml2Fnao_95lEQ2zkjY&m=AdUpO74i5tA3jx9yEEMUepEySg1hf9nIHRE7I7R5ew0&s=1qANpwKROOwtyLJbkV-sgazxeG5Jh9L4xTBLiXsPxFQ&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">201
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] letter authorship</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">When describing a letter composed by one person (frequently a secretary) on behalf of another, what is best practice for choosing the author?
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Dear Madam, In reply to your letter Lord Hambleden says he is glad to give a prize and has asked me to send you the enclosed five guineas. He is greatly looking forward to seeing the exhibition. Yours faithfully,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In this example, would you treat Hambleden as author? If not, as contributor? If treating him as contributor, is there a relationship designator
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Francis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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· </span><a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Semilight",sans-serif">francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>-- <br>Matthew C. Haugen<br>Rare Book Cataloger<br>102 Butler Library<br>Columbia University Libraries<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu" target="_blank">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a><br>Phone: 212-851-2451<o:p></o:p></pre>
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