<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thank you Richard, this is helpful. I haven't found evidence that this was printed as part of a larger work, though the doubled letters do seem to point towards that. I have seen Clénard's 'Institutiones' and 'Meditationes' issued together by other printers around the same time, so perhaps Gryphius was working on a similar edition. It is odd that he abandons the irregular manner of signing for the 'Annotationes' and includes pagination. And Deborah thank you for sharing the article! <br><br></div>Best, <br></div>Jennifer <br><br><br><font color="#888888"><div>Jennifer Dunlap</div><div>Project Cataloger</div><div>SCRC Rare Books</div><div>University of Chicago <br></div><div><a href="mailto:dunlapj@uchicago.edu" target="_blank">dunlapj@uchicago.edu</a></div><div><a href="mailto:jrdunlap7@gmail.com" target="_blank">jrdunlap7@gmail.com</a></div></font><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Noble, Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I'd guess that this was not Gryphius' idea--possibly Clénard's. The signatures are doing double duty as pagination, designed more for the reader than for the binder. The result is a fully printed page-by-page reference system--which wasn't really necessary for the matter printed in A-C, with their standard signatures.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Your note is accurately descriptive, even if it leads one to say, "You're kidding!" Anyway, I wouldn't call these "direction numbers", since they're actually page numbers. If I were doing, say, a contents statement, I'd probably <i>not</i> follow the system because it's so eccentric; I'd refer to 2c7v, not 2c14, partly because the latter <i>looks</i> like signature reference to leaf 14--in a book in 8s. I've never seen anything like it--I guess it didn't catch on, for good reason. All it did was spare the compositor a bit of arithmetic, as in "What page does 2d begin on?"</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">There's nothing about it in Gaskell or Bowers because they never saw such a thing, beyond which it's a system breaker. This is a case for using your words, as they say, partly because the user of the catalog needs to be assured that the thing really is that weird. Having to infer weirdness from standard descriptive terms alone leaves too much residual doubt as to who's taken the crazy pills. You might even include an 856 link in the record: seeing is believing.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The use of doubled letters implies that there's a related work signed with single letters? Might that be the case?</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">By the way, I'm delighted to have a record of this odd book. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">By the way, the system <i>doesn't</i> seem to be used in the Annotationes, which references by pagination. I haven't got time to puzzle this out, and may be missing the full complexity of it all...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_2828273887918910534gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:(401)%20863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am working on cataloging a copy of Nicolas Clénard's 'Meditationes Graecanicae in artem grammaticam' printed by Sebastianus Gryphius in 1552 and would like some advice on the signature statement. The format is 8vo, but the first 8 gatherings
are signed on both the recto and verso, with direction numbers 1-16 for signatures 2a-2g and 1-7 for gathering 2h (2h8 verso unsigned). I have never encountered signing on both the recto and verso before and didn't see anything in Gaskell or Bowers on how
best to construct a signature statement in this case. I am hoping that someone else has encountered this before and can provide some guidance. The statement I have so far is:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also checked a number of other titles printed by Gryphius in our collection to see if he often printed books with signatures on the recto and verso, but was not able to find another example. If anyone else has seen other titles printed
by him where this occurs I would be interested in knowing! Any advice is appreciated! Thanks!
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