<div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br><div>I definitely see what you mean by a poem's first line not being altogether devised, meaning sprung from the cataloger's mind, so that gives the editorial team (myself included) something to ponder. The rationale for Devised preceding Formal title (1B and 1C) is because we wanted to prioritize what someone cataloging manuscripts is <u>most likely</u> to come across, and that is things where the title needs to be devised. It's not that manuscripts don't have formal titles, but they are <i>rarae aves</i> in comparison to letters, diaries, wills, scrapbooks (etc. etc.) that are in our collections.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Jenny</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Robert Maxwell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robert_maxwell@byu.edu" target="_blank">robert_maxwell@byu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I wonder if 1B5 is out of place in the numbering scheme. The first line of a verse is not what I would call a “devised title”, that is, made up by the cataloger
(albeit following rules). Everything else in 1B does seem to be “devised,” but not (in my opinion) 1B5.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It also seems odd to me that 1C, Formal title, follows 1B, devised title, since 1B expresses a preference for using a formal title as the title proper (“For manuscripts
without a formal title … devise a brief title”)—that is to say, the first thing you look for is a formal title, so I’d think the rule for that would precede the rule for devised titles. And choosing a title that is a quote from the item itself (first line
of the text, 1B5) seems pretty formal to me.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 19, 2018 4:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Devised titles in DCRM(MSS): required components conundrum<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can someone please help me see what I'm missing? DCRM(Manuscripts) appears to have contradictory instructions on devised titles... <br>
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1B1.2.1 says there are two required components in a devised title: Form or Genre, and Creator (if known).<br>
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But both both required components are missing from 1B5, which says to use the first line of a work in verse as the title, if it lacks a formal title.<br>
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The example in 1B5 says:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<i>Note:</i> Title from first line of hymn<br>
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If the required elements are included,it seems it would have to be something like:<br>
Hymn by William Cullen Bryant beginning Oh God! whose dread and dazzling brow<br>
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The instructions at 1B1.1 say that the <i>order </i>of required components isn't prescribed, unless rules for specific types of manuscript say otherwise. What about their presence in the first place?<br>
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