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Hi Honor,<br>
Yes, I've seen those. I didn't include it in my message, since that
was complicated enough in itself! <br>
But I did create an html page for my own reference to help me
compare the versions.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.unc.edu/~btysingr/WaterCure/WaterCureComparison.html">http://www.unc.edu/~btysingr/WaterCure/WaterCureComparison.html</a><br>
<br>
It's also interesting to note that the images, but not the text, are
reversed between the 1857 and 1860 editions of the Thomas Onwhyn
engravings.<br>
<br>
Barbara<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/6/2018 2:06 PM, Moody, Honor M.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Hi Barbara,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif;color:black;font-weight:normal">T</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif;font-weight:normal">his doesn’t really
answer your question, but there may be something more
complicated happening here. The text for the sitz bath
image is very similar to what appears in “<a
href="http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:RAD.SCHL:11102956"
moz-do-not-send="true">The pleasures of the water cure</a>,”
(1860) (and the hair is pretty similar if you squint your
eyes). Here’s <a
href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/umn.31951d03409116b"
moz-do-not-send="true">an earlier version</a> (1857), with
some significant differences from the 1860 edition.<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Honor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Honor Moody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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Technical Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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MS",sans-serif"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:honor_moody@harvard.edu">honor_moody@harvard.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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DCRM-L [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tysinger, Barbara R<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 6, 2018 1:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Contemporary "unofficial"
editions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">All right, lets try this again...<br>
I originally sent this message yesterday afternoon, but never
saw it appear in listserv email, so I went looking.
<br>
I found that my campus email had flagged it as a potential
spoof message and dumped it into my junk folder.<br>
I'm not sure why, but the original message had the word "p i r
a t e d" (without the spaces!) in the subject line instead of
"unofficial", and I had also used the P-word here and there in
the message.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since it happened to me, and I sent the
message, I am concerned that it may have been dumped in
everyone’s junk mail, so I'm editing out the P-word and
resending, to see if HAL will accept this version.<br>
Happy Friday!<br>
Barbara<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Contemporary "xxxxx" editions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:26:33 -0400<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Barbara Tysinger <a
href="mailto:btysingr@email.unc.edu"
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<p class="MsoNormal">UNC-CH Health Sciences Library<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">DCRM Users' Group <a
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Hello Everyone,<br>
<br>
Here is an interesting puzzle for a Thursday afternoon...<br>
<br>
I have a small booklet, circa 1870, that contains what
appear to be 2-color lithographs copied from another
publication. (We also have the source publication in our
collection.)<br>
<br>
The source publication:<br>
OCLC # 47003110<br>
Twelve subjects : the water cure.<br>
London : Newman & Co., [1869-1870]<br>
12 unnumbered leaves : illustrations ; 19 x 14 cm<br>
Title from cover.<br>
1 image per leaf; publisher and dates on each engraving<br>
<br>
The questionable "P" publication:<br>
OCLC # [none yet!]<br>
The water cure.<br>
[London?] : [Newman & Co.?], [1870?]<br>
1 sheet leporello folded to 12 leaves : chiefly
illustrations ; 7 x 120 cm, folded to 7 x 10 cm, in cover 8
x 11 cm<br>
Title from cover.<br>
No place, publisher, or dates anywhere on the item.<br>
<br>
I have no evidence that this is a contemporary "P" edition,
but neither do I have evidence that is isn't. It could
simply be a cheaper version issued by the same publisher.
(Although if that is true, why would they not put their name
on it somewhere?)<br>
I don't think it is a modern reproduction, but I don't have
any proof of that either.<br>
Here is what I have found:<br>
<br>
Each contains 12 captioned vignettes, 11 of the identical
illustration, with one differing in each.<br>
<br>
Images in the source publication each include the name of
the publisher, Newman & Co, and most also include a date
(6 have "May 1869", 4 have "May 1870", and 2 have no date)<br>
<br>
Images in the "P" publication are smaller, appearing to have
been cropped before printing, retaining the captions but no
other text. These images are also a bit muddier in
appearance, and have a second color overprint, with a
drawn-line frame of the same color. (Thus leading me to
suppose they are commercial lithographs.)<br>
<br>
Neither publication shows plate marks.<br>
I've attached a few representative images from each.<br>
<br>
So, my questions...<br>
Could this be a contemporary, Victorian questionable "P"
edition?<br>
If so, how would I reflect that in my notes? Or should I?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Barbara<br>
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...................All opinions are entirely my
own....................<br>
<br>
Barbara R. Tysinger Phone:
(919)966-0949<br>
Health Sciences Library Fax:
(919)966-1388<br>
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill<br>
335 S. Columbia Street, CB# 7585<br>
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7585<br>
ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0001-6759-5465 <br>
e-mail: <a href="mailto:Barbara_Tysinger@unc.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">Barbara_Tysinger@unc.edu</a><br>
<br>
......."Non pilus tam tenuis ut secari non possit."-- St.
Minutia......<br>
<br>
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