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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">The identification of a publication as pirated is a scholarly question. Since you have no evidence, don't call it that. If you want to make a note, you could make
reciprocal notes, something like "Also published as: Twelve subjects : water cure &c.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#5F497A">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@folger.edu |<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barbara Tysinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 06 April, 2018 16:11<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Contemporary "unofficial" editions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Honor,<br>
Yes, I've seen those. I didn't include it in my message, since that was complicated enough in itself!
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But I did create an html page for my own reference to help me compare the versions.<br>
<a href="http://www.unc.edu/~btysingr/WaterCure/WaterCureComparison.html">http://www.unc.edu/~btysingr/WaterCure/WaterCureComparison.html</a><br>
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It's also interesting to note that the images, but not the text, are reversed between the 1857 and 1860 editions of the Thomas Onwhyn engravings.<br>
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Barbara<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/6/2018 2:06 PM, Moody, Honor M. wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<h1><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This doesn’t really answer your question, but there may be something more complicated happening here. The text for the sitz bath image is very similar to what appears in “<a href="http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:RAD.SCHL:11102956">The
pleasures of the water cure</a>,” (1860) (and the hair is pretty similar if you squint your eyes). Here’s
<a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/umn.31951d03409116b">an earlier version</a> (1857), with some significant differences from the 1860 edition.</span><o:p></o:p></h1>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS ,sans-serif","serif"">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS ,sans-serif","serif"">Honor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS ,sans-serif","serif"">Metadata Creation Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS ,sans-serif","serif""><a href="mailto:honor_moody@harvard.edu">honor_moody@harvard.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> DCRM-L [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tysinger, Barbara R<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 6, 2018 1:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Contemporary "unofficial" editions?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All right, lets try this again...<br>
I originally sent this message yesterday afternoon, but never saw it appear in listserv email, so I went looking.
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I found that my campus email had flagged it as a potential spoof message and dumped it into my junk folder.<br>
I'm not sure why, but the original message had the word "p i r a t e d" (without the spaces!) in the subject line instead of "unofficial", and I had also used the P-word here and there in the message.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since it happened to me, and I sent the message, I am concerned that it may have been dumped in everyone’s junk mail, so I'm editing out the P-word and resending, to see if HAL will accept this version.<br>
Happy Friday!<br>
Barbara<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Barbara Tysinger <a href="mailto:btysingr@email.unc.edu"><btysingr@email.unc.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Hello Everyone,<br>
<br>
Here is an interesting puzzle for a Thursday afternoon...<br>
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I have a small booklet, circa 1870, that contains what appear to be 2-color lithographs copied from another publication. (We also have the source publication in our collection.)<br>
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The source publication:<br>
OCLC # 47003110<br>
Twelve subjects : the water cure.<br>
London : Newman & Co., [1869-1870]<br>
12 unnumbered leaves : illustrations ; 19 x 14 cm<br>
Title from cover.<br>
1 image per leaf; publisher and dates on each engraving<br>
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The questionable "P" publication:<br>
OCLC # [none yet!]<br>
The water cure.<br>
[London?] : [Newman & Co.?], [1870?]<br>
1 sheet leporello folded to 12 leaves : chiefly illustrations ; 7 x 120 cm, folded to 7 x 10 cm, in cover 8 x 11 cm<br>
Title from cover.<br>
No place, publisher, or dates anywhere on the item.<br>
<br>
I have no evidence that this is a contemporary "P" edition, but neither do I have evidence that is isn't. It could simply be a cheaper version issued by the same publisher. (Although if that is true, why would they not put their name on it somewhere?)<br>
I don't think it is a modern reproduction, but I don't have any proof of that either.<br>
Here is what I have found:<br>
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Each contains 12 captioned vignettes, 11 of the identical illustration, with one differing in each.<br>
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Images in the source publication each include the name of the publisher, Newman & Co, and most also include a date (6 have "May 1869", 4 have "May 1870", and 2 have no date)<br>
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Images in the "P" publication are smaller, appearing to have been cropped before printing, retaining the captions but no other text. These images are also a bit muddier in appearance, and have a second color overprint, with a drawn-line frame of the same color.
(Thus leading me to suppose they are commercial lithographs.)<br>
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Neither publication shows plate marks.<br>
I've attached a few representative images from each.<br>
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So, my questions...<br>
Could this be a contemporary, Victorian questionable "P" edition?<br>
If so, how would I reflect that in my notes? Or should I?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Barbara<br>
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...................All opinions are entirely my own....................<br>
<br>
Barbara R. Tysinger Phone: (919)966-0949<br>
Health Sciences Library Fax: (919)966-1388<br>
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill<br>
335 S. Columbia Street, CB# 7585<br>
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7585<br>
ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0001-6759-5465 <br>
e-mail: <a href="mailto:Barbara_Tysinger@unc.edu">Barbara_Tysinger@unc.edu</a><br>
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......."Non pilus tam tenuis ut secari non possit."-- St. Minutia......<br>
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