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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Sorry for the delay. Thanks for that explanation, Deborah, it makes a lot of sense. Persuading me otherwise achieved.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:08:37 AM<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">Hey Kate, let me try to persuade you otherwise. (-;
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">The rules for unnumbered plates are an extension of rules for unnumbered pages or leaves of text: (5B3) "If unnumbered pages or leaves (printed or blank) are
not included in a sequence of pagination or foliation, count them according to the terms used to describe the rest of the publication with which they are associated."</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">Take for example a book with 8 unnumbered preliminary leaves, consisting of a half-title, title page, dedication, and table of contents, followed by 124 numbered
pages. We don't (and wouldn't want to) describe this as [2] leaves, [12], 124 p.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">In addition, we don't indicate where in the volume plates are located. That extra precision is misplaced and inconsistent with the statement of extent as a whole.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Moriarty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 21 May, 2018 15:53<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] RBMS PS Q4 Extent part 2</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Hi Michelle,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Now that you bring it up, I think I'm partial to the additional precision in your first example, "[6] pages of plates, [12] leaves of plates." I guess it depends on resources and the primary purpose
of this part of the extent statement. Recording as only leaves, for example, gives a quicker way to determine that you have all plates. Recording both pages and leaves of plates, when present, more faithfully represents the item. I think the value it would
add to the record to record both is worth the extra work but feel like I could be persuaded otherwise.</span></p>
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on behalf of Mascaro, Michelle <<a href="mailto:mmascaro@ucsd.edu">mmascaro@ucsd.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:52:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] RBMS PS Q4 Extent part 2</span> </p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">One small correction…the Bibliographic Standards Committee Virtual Meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, May 30<sup>th</sup>.
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best,</span></p>
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Michelle</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mascaro, Michelle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 03, 2018 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group' <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] RBMS PS Q4 Extent part 2</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">Thank you everyone who participated in the recent discussion of extent of text provisions in the RBMS PS. My summary of the discussion and the proposed outcomes is available in google docs (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1dvdy6ZkM9EXrkU3Hszo3zX4-2D7EdQvASy8PeJsWaTE5c_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAg&c=Pk_HpaIpE_jAoEC9PLIWoQ&r=QSy4pRGGbiThTdgoQBlcY2x2yDw8YVh-wlJwuoAA0XM&m=VXCdlcuYtdrW1R8ecXTX_KnQZyALZb9RiOjfUJIwwBE&s=rVrZyfjJ_fh5l8VtF78L5lecuTK1gRgWIEBaQWidYXA&e=">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dvdy6ZkM9EXrkU3Hszo3zX4-7EdQvASy8PeJsWaTE5c/edit?usp=sharing</a>)
and will be discussed further at the next Bibliographic Standards Committee Virtual Meeting on May 31, 11-noon PDT (formal announcement and agenda will be forthcoming). Of note, in reviewing the various arguments, I have been persuaded that there is no rare
materials specific reason to justify the RBMS PS varying from RDA and using “i.e.” versus “that is” to denote corrections.</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">And now the overdue follow-up question I promised regarding unnumbered leaves of plates. The current draft RBMS PS for “3.4.5.9.2 Unnumbered Leaves or Pages of Plates” reads as follows:</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">“<span style="color:black">Always record the extent of unnumbered leaves or pages of plates.
<b>If a volume contains a mixture of unnumbered leaves and pages of plates, record the number either in terms of leaves or of pages.</b> Record unnumbered pages or leaves by enclosing the total number in the sequence within square brackets.”</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">The middle sentence, in bold, was taken directly from DCRM(B) 5B9.2 and also appeared in DCRM(B)’s predecessor DCRB. The question arose during the Example Group’s work, whether we wish to continue this practice or if it were preferable
in these cases to record the unnumbered plates in terms of leaves and pages as printed. For example:</p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="text-indent:.5in">[6] page of plates, [12] leaves of plates
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="text-indent:.5in">vs.</p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="text-indent:.5in">[15] leaves of plates </p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">Any opinions are greatly appreciated. This will be the last review question, prior to the RDA’s 3R reveal.</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">Best,</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:#002060">Michelle Mascaro</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif"">Head, Special Collections Metadata</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri Light","sans-serif"">University of California, San Diego
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