<div dir="ltr"><div>Noah,</div><div><br></div><div>This situation has come up on our list before in a discussion on Friday September 25, 2015. Nina Schneider posed the question:</div><div><br></div><div> <i><font face="Consolas">I have in my hand the French translation of Hystoyre et plaisante

</font></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> cronicque. It is printed in 1793/4 (an II) in Paris. It is signed in such a<br></i></div><div><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> way that I'm at a loss on how to record it.<br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> It starts off innocently enough: pi^4 but then this happens (and this is a<br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> page-by page recreation):<br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> 1,2,3, [unsigned], [unsigned], [unsigned], 4, 5,6, [unsigned], [unsigned],<br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> [unsigned], 7,8,9, [unsigned], [unsigned], [unsigned], 10, 11, 12,<br></i><span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">></span><i style="text-ali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<span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> manuscript period. The term that comes to mind is "continuous bifolia <span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> numeration."  There is no quire signature but the bifolia are numbered <span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> continuously from beginning to end.  It was not a common practice.  I don't <span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> remember if any printers used it.  Sorry I don't have any references I can <span style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">><i style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> quote.

I still think that is the best description of this signature pattern.

Joseph Ross

Unversity of Notre Dame

<br></i><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Noble, Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Dear Noah,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I'm not sure there's one correct way to deal with this, but it's best to follow the structure in the formula and use the signing statement to explain what one sees--so something like:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">      Collation: folio: [1]^10 (signing 1st rectos of the inner 4 bifolia as b-e)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">If that seems too much compressed for the sake of compression, the signing statement could be presented as a discursive note pretty much like the description in your inquiry, which is perfectly clear; but the formula seems a useful bibliographical declaration that this is structurally a single unsigned folio gathering of 10 leaves. Those who understand the formula and those who care are probably the same people.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Richard</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-4821070939222909605gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div>

<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Noah Sheola <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sheola@bc.edu" target="_blank">sheola@bc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br><div>I am cataloging a folio, consisting of a single gathering of 5 bifolia. The first leaf is unsigned, the second is signed "b", the third "c", the fourth "d", and the fifth "e". I don't think I've seen this before and am uncertain how to do the signature statement. Any advice much appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>For context, the imprint is Lisbon, 1767.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Noah<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><span class="m_-4821070939222909605HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-4821070939222909605m_5936416859962795483gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Noah Sheola</font><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Special Collections <span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);white-space:nowrap">Cataloging Librarian</span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);white-space:nowrap">Burns Library</span></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);white-space:nowrap">Boston College</span></font></div></div></div>

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