<div dir="ltr">Ditto re Folger and BYU! Glad to be of some help. Good luck!<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:04 AM Hoover, Sarah <<a href="mailto:sehoover@email.unc.edu">sehoover@email.unc.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you all for these responses! In particular, I appreciate you sharing the results of your past informal survey, Randal. I hope that having some examples of peer institutions will be helpful for us as it was for you in successfully
getting the 510 included in indexing. I am envious of the separate indexes at Folger and BYU, but keyword searchability would certainly be better than what we have now!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If anyone else wants to add their institution to Randal’s list of OPACs with the 510 included in the keyword index, I would be happy to hear from you!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sarah<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Randal S. BRANDT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Indexing 510 locally<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Several years ago (2013, I believe), I successfully lobbied for the inclusion of 510 in the keyword index of our catalog. My initial request to include 510 was denied, so I conducted an informal survey, via DCRM-L, to find out which institutions
indexed the 510. Of the responses I got, nearly all of the institutions did index the 510. I'm sharing the results of that survey here:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1)</span></b><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In your OPAC, is the 510 field included in the keyword index?</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yale: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Stanford: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Wesleyan: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">UCLA: Yes (ALL bib fields indexed)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">UT Austin: Yes ($a only; will be submitting request to add $c)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">UCSD: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Clark Library: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">U. of Akron (OhioLINK): Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Penn State: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">U. of Colorado: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">U. of Chicago: No<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">St. Louis U.: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ohio State U.: Yes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:55 AM Erin Blake <<a href="mailto:erin.blake.folger@gmail.com" target="_blank">erin.blake.folger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ah! Excellent point, Deborah. People using the Folger collection pretty much ignore the 510 in open-stacks material: doesn't matter where the journal is indexed, they'll have found it by a cross reference or by googling.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It might be worth deleting the 510 from all open-stacks material before we export to a discovery layer.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:09 AM Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">I wonder if some of the resistance to indexing 510 traces back to when that field was used heavily in serial records for
where they were indexed. That practice has been mostly discontinued, as far as I can tell, which makes a 510 index not only feasible but extremely useful. In a special collections context, materials may be commonly identified
<i>by</i> a citation number. Not indexing the 510 is a disservice to knowledgeable users. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">I for one can't imagine being able to do my job properly without a 510 index. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">However, I notice that many of the examples given in
<a href="https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd510.html" target="_blank">MARC Bibliographic</a> are obsolete vis-à-vis current formulation according to
<a href="http://rbms.info/scf/" target="_blank">Standard Citation Forms</a>. A job for an up-and-coming cataloger?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#5f497a">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> |</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 October, 2018 09:59<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Indexing 510 locally</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We index the 510 separately in our OPAC. Users can pick the "Bibliographic citation" field in our "Advanced Search" (see
<a href="https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/Searching_in_Hamnet#Advanced_Search_tab" target="_blank">
https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/Searching_in_Hamnet#Advanced_Search_tab</a>). It gets used a
<i>lot</i> by our staff and researchers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Erin.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=201+E.+Capitol+St.+SE,+Washington,+DC,+20003&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">
201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003</a> | <a href="mailto:eblake@folger.edu" target="_blank">
eblake@folger.edu</a> | office tel. <a href="tel:(202)%20675-0323" target="_blank">
+1 202-675-0323</a> | <a href="http://www.folger.edu" target="_blank">www.folger.edu</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 8:29 PM Robert Maxwell <<a href="mailto:robert_maxwell@byu.edu" target="_blank">robert_maxwell@byu.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">We index 510 in our catalog as a separate browse index. I assume it’s also indexed in the discovery layer by keyword like everything else (which isn’t
very satisfactory).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If you’d like to see our index, go to the library catalog</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="http://catalog.lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">catalog.lib.byu.edu</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Choose “other searches” to the left under “catalog searches”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Enter a citation in the “search for” box, e.g.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Heller, E.R. Bibliography of the Grabhorn Press, 1915-1940</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Click the “alphabetic search” radio button; then click “Citation” (below the search box)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">The first search result is all the hits gathered together; this is followed by the individual records lined up by citation number.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">We haven’t had any complaints about this being confusing (the index does index everything in any 510 field so there’s lots of extraneous stuff in it).
As a cataloger I find this index extremely useful (for bibliographies that I want to try to figure out if we’ve included a 510 in all the relevant records). Special collections curators seem to like the index when I draw their attention to it but I’m not sure
how frequently it’s used. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Bob</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
<a href="tel:(801)%20422-5568" target="_blank">(801)422-5568</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoover, Sarah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Indexing 510 locally<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our institution is currently preparing for the release of a new discovery layer, and special collections cataloging staff have requested the addition of indexing for the 510 field.
This topic has been discussed in the past, and our technical staff have raised several concerns. Two of their main concerns are the haphazard use of the 510 outside of special collections, which would lead to misleading results, and the potential confusion
for inexperienced users who don't understand why these results are coming up in their title search and who may be overwhelmed by the number of results this indexing could create. They are not convinced that the need for indexing instead of simply displaying
the 510 outweighs these drawbacks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The staff designing the new discovery layer are asking for use cases to support indexing of the 510, and we have theoretical use cases but no specific examples of user stories where
lack of indexing has been a problem to give them. Our research and instruction colleague had not realized the citations were not searchable, and did say that it would be beneficial for instruction prep research.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We were wondering whether there are any other institutions indexing the 510 in your local catalog. If so, have you gotten any user feedback about this feature? Did you have to advocate
for it, and if so what helped make it successful? I found past discussions about advocating for 510 indexing in OCLC in the listserv archive, but not much discussion of local implementation.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for any comments and experience you can share!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sarah<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sarah Hoover<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Special Collections Cataloger<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wilson Special Collections Library<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:sehoover@email.unc.edu" target="_blank">sehoover@email.unc.edu</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:(919)%20962-4305" target="_blank">919-962-4305</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">510.643.2275 | <a href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Randal S. Brandt<br></div>The Bancroft Library | University of California, Berkeley<br></div>510.643.2275 | <a href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu</a><br></div></div>