<div dir="ltr"><div>I'd love for all ISBD punctuation to be machine-supplied, and I don't see any problem with <i>new </i>PCC DCRM records following the three options.</div><div><br></div><div>The only conern I've got with the proposal is with step 4: we'd want to make sure adquate testing is done with DCRM records as part of "<span style="font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Work with bibliographic utilities and other interested
parties to develop tools and specifications to automate the process of
removal or reinsertion of punctuation.</span>" There might well be "<span style="font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">terminal periods integral to the data (e.g., recorded as part of abbreviations, initials, etc.)</span><span style="font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px"> </span>" that rarely come up outside Special Collections. Inadequate testing would let PCC say "the percentage of PCC records affected is statistically insignificant" rather than "the percentage of PCC DCRM records affected is unacceptably large."</div><div><br></div><div>Erin. </div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:7.5pt">Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior
Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E.
Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 | <a href="mailto:eblake@folger.edu">eblake@folger.edu</a>
| office tel. +1 202-675-0323 | <a href="http://www.folger.edu">www.folger.edu</a></span> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:53 PM Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">I think the new policy is sensible. Two questions, to start:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">The statement below says that PCC will “</span><span style="color:windowtext">work with bibliographic utilities and other interested parties to develop tools and specifications to automate the process of removal or
reinsertion of punctuation.”</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:windowtext">
</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Does RBMS/BSC have anything to add to those discussions? Will the general automated processes (in OCLC, for example) work well enough with DCRM descriptions, including those that employ “double” punctuation?
Has anyone in our community examined OCLC’s test record set, provided here: <a href="http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/test-records-punctuation.html" target="_blank">
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/test-records-punctuation.html</a> ?<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Editors of the forthcoming RBMS Policy Statements for RDA will probably have to consider these options for the PS guidance on punctuation. For *<b>DCRM</b>* descriptions, should we (or can we) allow the same three options
presented by PCC, when the policy is implemented in the spring?<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">Francis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></p></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-4469232422746711448WordSection1"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Fwd: [PCCLIST] New policy regarding limited use of ISBD punctuation in bibliographic records<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-4469232422746711448WordSection1">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1f497d">I think we'd still want ISBD punctuation for display, but that's something machines are really good at.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#5f497a">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">djleslie@folger.edu</a> |<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> DCRM-L [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Moody, Honor M.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December, 2018 16:11<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Fwd: [PCCLIST] New policy regarding limited use of ISBD punctuation in bibliographic records<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Personally, I’m lamenting the hours of my life wasted in adding ISBD punctuation to pre-AACR2 records and correcting it when reviewing the records of others.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Honor<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Fwd: [PCCLIST] New policy regarding limited use of ISBD punctuation in bibliographic records<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">My first reaction is to be glad that dcrmb records with original punctuation retained might be a bit less cluttered. Others' thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Xiaoli Li</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:xlli@ucdavis.edu" target="_blank">xlli@ucdavis.edu</a>><br>
Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 3:17 PM<br>
Subject: [PCCLIST] New policy regarding limited use of ISBD punctuation in bibliographic records<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:PCCLIST@listserv.loc.gov" target="_blank">PCCLIST@listserv.loc.gov</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">PCC colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">At its recent</span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__www.loc.gov_aba_pcc_documents_PoCo-2D2018_PoCo-2DAgenda-2D2018.pdf%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DWO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ%26r%3DgfxDZP5m9KyeWhmono1ADELcLUOEQEwGHybTpd5N2Wk%26m%3DFXC_fIjOY6iqyFFAwuWAU0jWQfwciIVJUSBeiP5SojY%26s%3DPN8uoCAEqrLQrw1EC47rDM-_t_olzeAS5Tprvjdn2VI%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancis.lapka%40yale.edu%7C6b2def7340604eb9c7f308d66077b543%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C636802464624497618&sdata=ZMsJ%2BlE416a4bquYXWg2DLgnHGCiT0w2FaxjC%2Fo6PbU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black;text-decoration:none">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1155cc">meeting</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">, the PCC Policy Committee reaffirmed its decision to allow bibliographic records
with limited ISBD punctuation to be treated as full-level PCC copy. This decision comes after reviewing feedback from test participants who evaluated three test sets of records provided by Library of Congress, the National Library of Medicine, and OCLC. For
more information about the test, please read the message below or click </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.loc.gov_aba_pcc_documents_test-2Drecords-2Dpunctuation.html%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DWO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ%26r%3DgfxDZP5m9KyeWhmono1ADELcLUOEQEwGHybTpd5N2Wk%26m%3DFXC_fIjOY6iqyFFAwuWAU0jWQfwciIVJUSBeiP5SojY%26s%3DIvzaL0LZeRpx3M4b5JKuaBJrnYUed2vSt7n866JOyjk%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancis.lapka%40yale.edu%7C6b2def7340604eb9c7f308d66077b543%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C636802464624507636&sdata=hmDvwzc28ltElYfLo6XVSUVZfbxUM9cOoGMSN91iZ2M%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1155cc">here</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Beginning in spring 2019, PCC libraries will have three options to handle ISBD punctuation when authenticating new records:
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Continue current practice
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Omit terminal period in any field*; code Leader/18 (Descriptive cataloging form) “i”<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Omit ISBD punctuation between subfields of descriptive fields and omit terminal period in any field*; code Leader/18 (Descriptive cataloging form) “c”
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">* Exception: Terminal periods integral to the data (e.g., recorded as part of abbreviations, initials, etc.) should not be omitted.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Options 2 and 3 are optional, not mandatory. However, creating records with limited punctuation is expected to save time for catalogers,
simplify training of new catalogers, make it easier to map data to and from other formats, and allow for an easier transition to linked data or vice versa (e.g., mapping BIBFRAME to MARC). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">To facilitate the implementation, PCC will:
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Develop and maintain style guidelines for records with limited punctuation;
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Provide adequate training resources for catalogers and revise PCC documentation to update policies and include examples with limited punctuation;
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Request that LC Network Development and MARC Standards Office and bibliographic utilities revise MARC 21 documentation to include examples with limited punctuation;
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Work with bibliographic utilities and other interested parties to develop tools and specifications to automate the process of removal or reinsertion of punctuation;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Encourage vendors, bibliographic utilities, etc., to explore functionality to index and display records with limited punctuation as defined by the PCC;
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif">Encourage vendors, bibliographic utilities, etc., to explore functionality to allow their users to easily add or remove punctuation as needed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">The Policy Committee is in the process of developing a detailed implementation plan which will include the aforementioned style guidelines.
I will share more information with you as it becomes available. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions, or comments, please feel free to contact me.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Xiaoli Li<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">PCC Chair<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Head of Content Support Services<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">UC Davis Library<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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