<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Of the two systems of fingerprints, the STCN is much better at reflecting line-for-line reprints--that is, one edition set as identically <i>as possible</i> from another, but with a level of attention to detail that would not include forcing a signature to appear under exactly the same types in the last line. Neither it, nor the Fingerprints--Empreintes--Impronte system can differentiate issues of the same edition, and the latter cannot even differentiate accurately set line-for-line reprints, since it depends on the occurrence of types at the ends or beginnings of given lines. That is to say: as a <i>fingerprint</i> the STCN method is far superior for books with signatures--and the principles of composition are much easier to understand.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The STCN is actually an instance of a method of detection that I was taught in the 1970s, which might require recording the position of <i>every</i> signature; useful in the days when comparing large numbers of copies might otherwise involve a trunkful of photocopies, if photocopies could actually be obtained.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"></span>RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:04 AM Robert Steele <<a href="mailto:rosteele@law.gwu.edu">rosteele@law.gwu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2">The definition from ISBD(A), draft 2006 revision, page 4: <br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div>
<font size="2"><span>A group of characters derived </span><span>from</span><span> a publication w</span><span>ith the object of </span><span>identifying the edition uniquely.</span></font>
<font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">A fuller description appears on page 88, with references to French and Dutch versions of the formula (except that the Dutch version is a broken link):</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div>
<font size="2"><span>The fingerprint</span><span></span><span> consists of a num</span><span>ber of char</span><span>acters drawn from a num</span><span>ber of uni</span><span>for</span><span>m places in the text of the </span><span>publication, followed by a num</span><span>ber indicating the source of</span><span> one or m</span><span>ore of the characters and/or a letter </span><span>indicating the direction of </span><span>the chain-lines and/or the date as it </span><span>appears in th</span><span>e publicatio</span><span>n, etc., a</span><span>rea.</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span><br></span></font></div><div><span style="font-size:20px;font-family:serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Personally, I prefer the second version, and I'm not sure RDA's "manifestation" or ISBD's "edition" is completely accurate, since a fingerprint can help identify sub-manifestations (sub-editions) such as issue or state. </span></font><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:20px;font-family:serif"></span><br></div><div></div><div><span style="font-size:20px;font-family:serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="2"><a href="http://www.ibmi.it/manuali/ISBD(A)_February2006.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ibmi.it/manuali/ISBD(A)_February2006.pdf</a></font></span><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:20px;font-family:serif"><br></span></div><div><font size="2"><span>Robert Steele</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span>Cataloging Librarian</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span>Jacob Burns Law Library<br></span></font></div><div><span style="font-size:20px;font-family:serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="2">George Washington University</font></span><br></span>
</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 6:27 PM Gemberling, Ted P <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bob, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’ve noticed this term “fingerprint” sometimes occurs in German cataloging records. Is that where the concept came from? I have never really identified what it meant there, though it struck me as interesting.
Obviously an English term. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here’s an example from 2019: OCLC #1085880235 (“Fingerprint nach Ex. der UB Frankfurt.” I’m assuming that means it’s for a digitalized version of a copy at the university library in Frankfurt.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here’s one from 1971: OCLC #251887176<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ted Gemberling<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">UAB Lister Hill Library<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Robert Maxwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List (<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>) <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Fingerprint<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m part of an ALA group examining and commenting on the beta RDA toolkit. This upcoming version of RDA introduces the concept fingerprint (I don’t believe it’s been there before), with the following definition:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An identifier for manifestation that consists of a group of characters from specified locations in a manifestation combined with a date of publication or other element.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://beta.rdatoolkit.org/RDA.Web/Content?externalId=en-US_ala-4267b9ea-5015-36eb-b56a-c66f4b104f6f#section_rdaId_c296f014-6db4-4509-9508-2e300c502751" target="_blank">https://beta.rdatoolkit.org/RDA.Web/Content?externalId=en-US_ala-4267b9ea-5015-36eb-b56a-c66f4b104f6f#section_rdaId_c296f014-6db4-4509-9508-2e300c502751</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, do you think this is an accurate and adequate definition? Additionally, if you have a chance, I’d be interested if you have any comments on the guidelines (beyond the definition) for fingerprint in the beta version (link above [you
may need to log into your RDA account], but also search ”fingerprint” in the search box to find all mentions of the term in the beta RDA).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bob<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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