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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Would it be helpful if I created a google doc out of the proposal so that folks could comment on it directly?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Liz OKeefe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:40 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I checked with the chair of the ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee, who agreed with Bob Maxwell that the proposal is now in the hands of CC:DDA. Amanda Ros posted yesterday morning on the rules list-serv inviting comments; as Bob said,
comments from the RBMS community should come from the RBMS Liaison. We look forward to the CC:DA's decision.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 2:22 PM <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-request@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-request@lib.byu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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1. Re: Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
(Robert Maxwell)<br>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:21:29 +0000<br>
From: Robert Maxwell <<a href="mailto:robert_maxwell@byu.edu" target="_blank">robert_maxwell@byu.edu</a>><br>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item<br>
relationship?<br>
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My name is on the proposal as chair of one of the contributing subcommittees, and I did contribute personally but it's left the subcommittees and right now it's with CC:DA and ARLIS/NA, so probably it would be best (at least from the CC:DA perspective) for
comments such as these to be posted on the CC:DA list by the RBMS liaison to CC:DA. I'm not sure how ARLIS/NA is taking comments.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Bob<br>
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Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568<br>
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From: DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis<br>
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
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Bob, I appreciation your clarifications.<br>
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I welcome the idea of curator relationship to works, but I wonder if it would be better for RDA to simplify the curator relationships by acknowledging the two strongest use cases for resource description:<br>
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1. A curator responsible for deciding that an item should be acquired for a collection, as noted by Erin below. Obviously this is an Item relationship.<br>
2. An exhibition curator, who creates an exhibition work (or event), with a definition as described in your proposal. This a Work relationship.<br>
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I think the curator relationship at the Item level should omit mention of exhibitions. Items in an exhibition can and should be related to an agent through the Work, i.e.: an exhibition curator creates an exhibition Work which in turn includes an Item.<br>
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Francis<br>
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
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Clarifying my last sentence: the word "item" in this case means the collection as a whole, not an individual "item" in the collection. In the FRBR/LRM/RDA framework a collection exists at all the WEMI levels so it is appropriate to think of the collection as
a whole as an "item", even though there is only one item (the collection), one manifestation (the same collection), one expression (the same collection), and one work (the same collection).<br>
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Bob<br>
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Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568<br>
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.<br>
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From: DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>> on behalf of Robert Maxwell <<a href="mailto:robert_maxwell@byu.edu" target="_blank">robert_maxwell@byu.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:robert_maxwell@byu.edu" target="_blank">robert_maxwell@byu.edu</a>>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:10 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
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I was going to note the proposal. The revision proposal is for the creation of a new relationship element at the work level to allow a relationship between (for example) a person who is curator of an exhibition and a work produced by that exhibition (e.g. an
exhibition catalog). (The current RDA relationship element is at the item level and so would not be appropriate to use to link an exhibition curator with the exhibition catalog.)<br>
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As to the specific question, I don't have a record to point you to, but I would think that if a catalog record were created for a collection--e.g. at BYU we have science fiction writer Orson Scott Card's papers and there is a record in the catalog for that
collection--the curator of the collection could appropriately be included in the record with the relationship "curator" and this would be at the item level.<br>
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Bob<br>
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Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568<br>
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:02 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
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Of related interest is an RDA revision proposal drafted by ARLIS/NA and the CC:DA 3R Task Force. See attachment.<br>
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Francis<br>
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Francis Lapka<br>
Senior Catalogue Librarian<br>
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<br>
Yale Center for British Art<br>
203-432-9672 * <a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?<br>
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I guess "curator" could be an item-specific relationship if you go far enough down the rabbit hole: we have a field in our Acquisitions module where we record the curator responsible for deciding a collection item should be acquired (an issue because it's often
mistaken for the curator whose budget it came from, but it's the intellectual contribution we're documenting; the financial contribution is recorded elsewhere). That field could, in theory, be part of the MARC record in the OPAC.<br>
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Erin.<br>
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:23 PM Liz OKeefe <<a href="mailto:lokeefe411@gmail.com" target="_blank">lokeefe411@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:lokeefe411@gmail.com" target="_blank">lokeefe411@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
During a recent conversation with colleagues from the ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee, someone asked for examples of bibliographic records in which "curator" was used in an agent to item relationship. No one was able to come up offhand with examples,
and it's difficult, if not impossible, to search OPACs for records where "curator" is used in this way. Could someone on DCRM-L help us out? Thanks.<br>
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Liz O'Keefe<br>
Member, ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee<br>
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