<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The convention (per Bowers) is to use only 8/4, not 4/8. So if it's as in the first example, it's A^4 B-E^8/4 F^8. Much clearer about the facts of this case, given that A and F would almost certainly have been printed together as the A/F sheet, in the same manner as B/C and D/E. It seems arbitrary, but there's a logic to it that makes it easier to reverse engineer books in this format if one always thinks, in the first instance, of folded and sewn 12mo 8/4 sheets as the object of the description, since a basic question for which the formula can provide a guide to further analysis, is "What type was on the bed of the press at the same time?"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">></span></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 5:08 PM Matthew C. Haugen <<a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Christine, <br><br>I found the following at: <a href="https://manual.stcv.be/p/Collation_Formula" target="_blank">https://manual.stcv.be/p/Collation_Formula <br></a><div><font color="#333333" face="Open Sans, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gatherings with regularly alternating numbers of folios can be amalgamated into a series formula, where the two numbers are given in superscript and separated by a forward slash. If there is an odd number of gatherings, the final gathering, regular or not, is mentioned separately. The first number in superscript always corresponds to the number of folios from the first gathering of the series, the second number always corresponds to the number of leaves from the last gathering of the series.</blockquote><div> </div><blockquote style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:0px 0px 0px 1rem;margin:0px 0px 1rem 3rem;font-size:14px;border-left:1px solid red;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open Sans",Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 0.5rem"><i style="box-sizing:border-box"><b style="box-sizing:border-box">Examples</b></i><br style="box-sizing:border-box"></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 0.5rem">A<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> B<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> C<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> D<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> E<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> F<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> becomes A-F<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4/8</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px">A<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> B<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> C<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> D<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> E<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> F<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">4</span> G<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span> becomes A-F<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8/4</span> G<span style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0;font-size:10.5px;vertical-align:baseline">8</span></p></blockquote><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px">I hope that helps!</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px"><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px">Matt</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 4:29 PM Christine Bone <<a href="mailto:Christine.Bone@umanitoba.ca" target="_blank">Christine.Bone@umanitoba.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have a 12mo book where the leaf counts alternate from one gathering to the next: A⁸B⁴C⁸D⁴ and so on.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:gray">Christine Bone | Cataloguing and Metadata Librarian | University of Manitoba Libraries | 204.474.7853 |
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