<div dir="ltr"><div>A follow up for Richard: There are circulating copies of Hell's Angels in the library: they are buried in the four listings that have the subtitle, "a strange and terrible saga". Sigh. The 24 listings for versions that don't include the subtitle appear first-- I don't know the reason, but have reported the situation to Ex Libris.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And Ted: As a native Angelena, I found "Los Angeles del Infierno" especially funny. :)</div><div><br></div><div>-Belinda<br></div><div><br></div><div></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><font face="georgia,serif">Belinda Egan<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">McHenry Library, Metadata Services<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">UC Santa Cruz<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">1156 High Street<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">Santa Cruz, CA 96064<br>831-459-2094<br></font></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Noble, Richard <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Belinda-- Re <i>Hell's Angels</i>: Is there a circulating dead-tree copy of the book in any UCSC library? If so, what's the trick? I tried various searches and came up with Special Collections holdings only (including an "everything" search).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_3349286746053702965gmail_signature"><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</font></div><div><span style="font-family:"courier new",monospace"><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" style="font-family:"courier new",monospace" target="_blank">Richard_Noble@Br</a><span style="font-family:"courier new",monospace"><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:"courier new",monospace">></span></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:19 PM Belinda Egan <<a href="mailto:began@ucsc.edu" target="_blank">began@ucsc.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>We started with Alma and Primo VE over a year ago, and have discovered many of the issues that others have noted. For us the most user-unfriendly feature in Primo is how multiple editions of the same work are grouped. For example: last year we received a large collection of works by Hunter S. Thompson, including various editions, printings, and translations. There seems to be no way to sort out the circulating books in Primo results. Here's an example, a search for "Hell's Angels", narrowed to "Held by library": <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://ucsc.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/search?query=any,contains,%22hell%27s%20angels%22&tab=LibraryCatalog&search_scope=MyInstitution&vid=01CDL_SCR_INST:USCS&facet=tlevel,include,available_p&offset=0" target="_blank">https://ucsc.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/search?query=any,contains,%22hell%27s%20angels%22&tab=LibraryCatalog&search_scope=MyInstitution&vid=01CDL_SCR_INST:USCS&facet=tlevel,include,available_p&offset=0</a></div><div><br></div><div>Good luck to the undergrad just trying to find a copy of the book in English to check out... While we do have a facet configured to limit results to Special Collections, we can't go the other way and exclude non-circulating material.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Belinda</div><div><br> </div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_3349286746053702965gmail-m_3649112598235257761gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><font face="georgia,serif">Belinda Egan<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">McHenry Library, Metadata Services<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">UC Santa Cruz<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">1156 High Street<br></font></div><font face="georgia,serif">Santa Cruz, CA 96064<br>831-459-2094<br></font></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:02 AM Christine DeZelar-Tiedman <<a href="mailto:dezel002@umn.edu" target="_blank">dezel002@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Others have already made the comments that I would have made, but I would like to add, in regard to Primo, that you can configure the de-duping and FRBR-ization of bib records so that rare materials are not clustering in search results with other related items. When we first came up on Primo, physical copies of rare books were getting clustered with ebook and microform versions of the same title, and the ebook always displayed as the primary item in the cluster, so unless someone knew to drill down, users might not know that we had a physical copy of the book. We were able to configure things so that materials in special collections locations did not get combined in Primo search results with other formats, but it took some convincing because most people (including ExLibris) assumed that e-versions would ALWAYS be preferred by users. We were also able to get some targeted searches set up, limiting to special collection materials. None of this is Alma-specific, but since you brought up Primo I wanted to mention it.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:37 PM Gemberling, Ted P <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Angela, 590’s are displaying in our Primo catalog and are searchable. Now, I think maybe one factor that may be different for you is you don’t want all your libraries to see all the notes. We just have one catalog
for our libraries. Admittedly we don’t have a lot of 590 notes. They are mostly in our Special Collections materials.
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</b>Jones, Angela<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Alma<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">SMU migrated from Voyager to Alma in the summer of 2017. Off the top of my head, here are my two cents about issues that specifically relate to cataloging rare or special collections materials.
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, bound-withs work very differently in Alma than in Voyager. I find the Alma workflow to catalog bound-withs to be more cumbersome, although the record displays and discoverability in both Alma and in Primo seems to work fine.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The second issue concerns local notes. When we migrated, we went from an environment where all the campus libraries shared Voyager, but didn’t share bib records. Our bibs all migrated as separate bibs, but going forward in Alma we have
had to share new records. We all had been accustomed to using 590 fields in our specific records for local notes, but in a shared record environment that can get sort of messy. We have looked at using other MARC fields in the holdings record to put in copy
specific notes such as donor notes, provenance, etc. But my understanding is that such notes aren’t necessarily searchable in Primo. I would love to find out that I am wrong about that, however!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I said, that is my two cents. Others may have different perspectives.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tedford, Beth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:54 AM<br>
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On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Noble, Richard <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu" target="_blank">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Advice off the top of your head would be fine, and could be privately communicated if you think that advisable. We are currently a III Sierra user. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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