<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I fail to see how this sort of error relates to the MARC record.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here the issue is that the same copy (the same set of images, of the copy at Harvard Law STC 7712.4) is found by searching reel position 1813:11 and 1813:12 in EEBO.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Reel position 1813:11 should be the copy at Harvard Law STC 7712.2 (and is so identified on EEBO, incorrectly).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t have access to the film, so I can’t tell which problem exists:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) The same copy was incorporated into the film at both positions, and the copy that should have been at 1813:11 (Harvard Law STC 7712.2) was omitted from the film as published; or</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) the correct copy is on the film, but when the films were digitized, the same copy was digitized twice; or</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3) when one searches reel position 1813:11, the link incorrectly goes to 1813:12.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or perhaps some other issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it has nothing to do with the bibliographic record.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the correct copy has been digitized and is available, then the link in the ESTC record should be corrected.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the film of that copy has not been digitized, then it should be digitized and the link corrected.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the film of that copy (which I’m pretty sure was made at the same time as that of STC 7712.4) has been lost, I guess there’s nothing to be done.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John Lancaster</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 19, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Katelyn Jedro <<a href="mailto:katelyn.jedro@gmail.com" class="">katelyn.jedro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No tomatoes please. but I can offer a little background on the error correction process for EEBO. When errors are reported for EEBO, they typically come through our customer service department and are routed to the appropriate people. For EEBO, these errors get sent to our Cambridge team (who maintain the platform) and they forward them to my group. For better or worse, the resource description pages are built off the MARC records created for the film product. When errors are reported, we review and correct the MARC records. The platform itself is only updated with the latest release. As this typically happens in November each year, it can be quite a long time before an error you reported gets a correction on the platform.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In better news, we are all working together to make this a monthly process, so errors can be taken care of more promptly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Katelyn Borbely</div><div class="">Metadata Librarian</div><div class="">ProQuest</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:01 PM Person, Mary <<a href="mailto:person@law.harvard.edu" class="">person@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_7899672039661268WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">Dear All,
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">First many thanks to those who replied off-list and to the list. I very much appreciate
it! <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">Meanwhile, I’ve been informed that any errors such as this should be reported to ESTC at
<a href="mailto:estc-catalog@cbsr.ucr.edu" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">estc-catalog@cbsr.ucr.edu</span></a></span><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">.
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">They can move a link to EEBO onto the correct ESTC record and make a note in the ESTC bibliographic record
about the error in EEBO. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">How soon errors will be corrected in EEBO is another issue, but at least we can do that
much. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)" class="">Mary<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""> DCRM-L [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>William Hale<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, November 15, 2019 5:04 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Errors in EEBO<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Dear Mary,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">This sounds sensible to me. I can’t find an example right now, but I think ESTC makes notes about the microfilm reproductions which are the source
for most EEBO scans in a local note in the bibliographic record, so I can’t imagine anyone objecting if you emulated them. The challenge would be to remember to remove the note if/when EEBO corrects the error.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">William.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">--<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">William Hale<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Treasurer, Cambridge Bibliographical Society<br class="">
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lib.cam.ac.uk_deptserv_rarebooks_index.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=EkkQFOGUCtF2osSJj7hvtyM31K6sxQSo34Z9RQpCmDw&m=D_lN-5aRILOZUCXwnrGhrLQjx3uhliFwCJRTG334WdU&s=kbAexZXUAe0cgz5yRVBlDC8Gvr44ZPdFwMHGTlIIbRw&e=" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);text-decoration:none" class="">Rare
Books and Early Manuscripts Department<br class="">
Cambridge University Library<br class="">
West Road, Cambridge, UK, CB3 9DR</span></a><br class="">
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Telephone: <a href="tel:+44%201223%20333122" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);text-decoration:none" class="">(+44) (0)1223 333122</span></a><br class="">
Email: <a href="mailto:William.Hale@lib.cam.ac.uk" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);text-decoration:none" class="">William.Hale@lib.cam.ac.uk</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Person, Mary<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> 14 November 2019 17:39<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Errors in EEBO<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Dear All,
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">‘Not sure if this is the right group to whom I should address this question, but perhaps someone has been in the same situation and has an elegant solution?
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">A researcher looking at an STC item in our collection pointed out to me the reproduction in EEBO purporting to be that edition is, in fact,
<i class="">not</i>. As it happens, it was our copy from which EEBO’s reproduction was originally made, and they are clearly not the same. I’ve written to ProQuest and that information has been forwarded for review–but I’m not holding my breath. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Would it be proper to make some kind of note in our catalog record—possibly in the holding?--about the discrepancy? This isn’t first time this has happened with digital
versions of our rare books, but increasingly I feel motivated to do more than sigh.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Thank you so much for any thoughts & wisdom you may have on this,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Mary<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Mary Person<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Rare Books Cataloger/Reference Librarian<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Historical & Special Collections<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class="">Harvard Law School Library<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(34,42,53)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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