<div dir="ltr">Thank you for all of the replies, both on and off list. I appreciate the help in thinking through the best practice for this. <div><br></div><div>In this case, I will have to confirm some details, but probably plan to name the estate as such in a 541 note, and will likely add a 700 for the individual as a former owner instead of as a donor. We don't routinely add access points for all donors or former owners. The items donated by this estate are of some institutional importance, as part of the libraries of the first and third presidents of Kings College/Columbia, Samuel and William Samuel Johnson, of whom the <strike>donor</strike> former owner in question was a descendant. </div><div><br></div><div><div>To follow up on Kathryn's reply, I also have encountered situations in which existing records credit a man as the donor, when his widow actually donated her late husband's collection and may even have been a former owner/collector in her own right. Perhaps as a result of these sorts of conflations or omissions, I find that when either or both of them have been recorded as access points, there has been inconsistent practice in the assignment of relationship designators "donor" and/or "former owner" to those names. When the wife is identified in donor documentation at all, it often follows the earlier convention of "Mrs. Husband" but more recently we have been attempting to update records with her own given name in 541 fields, archival finding aids, collection names, name authority records, etc., whenever possible (e.g., using <a href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no2020004459.html" target="_blank">Madeleine Berol</a> rather than Mrs. Alfred C. Berol). In the current case, I hope to give proper credit to Geraldine Woolsey Carmalt for her role in this collection that is named after her ancestors rather than a husband (it seems she never married).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 1:57 PM Moody, Honor M. <<a href="mailto:honor_moody@harvard.edu" target="_blank">honor_moody@harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you don’t have access to the donor agreement, or if it doesn’t specify who made the gift decision, I would add the personal name as a former owner, and not say anything about the donor, since you don’t know if the gift was made on behalf
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<p class="MsoNormal">I probably wouldn’t include the estate at all, outside of a 541, even if I knew it to have made the gift decision unless my shop routinely recorded all donors as added entries.<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">I recently had a conversation at my library related to this, as some of our older rare book record notes weren't input very clearly in terms of donors. On our records "Mr. Smith" (for example)
is recorded as a donor, but recent archival digging shows his wife actually donated the book after her husband -- who has his bookplate in the book -- passed away. (I'm thinking whomever created them way-back-when conflated bookplate provenance and the actual
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">My recommendation would be to input the donor as a corporation, the estate, since "estate of" is in the NAF. It clarifies that the item was willed, not handed over by the live person, which could
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">I would also record the individual as a former owner, distinguishing provenance from donor. Such a record thus traces the book as going from the owner to the estate to your library, and covers
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have a few instances where both are the case: donor explicitly left "x" and "y" to the Folger in their will, but they didn't say anything in the will about "z". Later, his executors said "Hey, we're sending x and y to you..... do you
also want z? Or should we throw it away?" Items x and y get the personal name as former owner, item z gets the name of the estate. I don't know what the legal implications are, I just see it as important for provenance research: Firstname Lastname
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example, some items I am cataloging have either library-supplied bookplates or card-catalog records saying:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which access point would you use? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for any advice,<u></u><u></u></p>
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