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<p>Sorry if my message was confusing. I just wanted to give examples of similar situations I struggle with.</p>
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<div>Thank you. I didn't mean to oversimplify, but I am in the midst of cataloging several large volume collections and they seem to all be generated, or at least produced, as a function of the government. Such as Descriptions Des Arts Metiers and Description de
L'Egypte. I was just not sure if I should consider these types of records "government publications" or not. </div>
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1. Re: Help with problem subject heading (Bob Kosovsky)<br>
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3. Re: Leader 008: Gov't Pub. (Deborah J. Leslie)<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:42:07 -0400<br>
From: Bob Kosovsky <<a href="mailto:bobkosovsky@nypl.org" target="_blank">bobkosovsky@nypl.org</a>><br>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
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> I really like the idea of using ?Noble savage stereotype? and ?Noble<br>
savage stereotype in literature,?<br>
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By adopting those terms as subject headings I feel that one is perpetuating<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:50:03 -0700<br>
From: Jessie Sherwood <<a href="mailto:jcsherwood@law.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">jcsherwood@law.berkeley.edu</a>><br>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
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Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the<br>
printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that<br>
said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was<br>
published by or for the government. If memory serves the *Oxford Companion<br>
to the Book* has entries on privileges and censorship.<br>
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Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even<br>
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <<a href="mailto:melissa@osgf.org" target="_blank">melissa@osgf.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
> I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as<br>
> a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation &<br>
> Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by<br>
> request of the royal leadership or government? It would seem that nearly<br>
> everything would be deemed a government publication during certain epochs,<br>
> sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.<br>
> Thank you for your intelligence on this.<br>
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> --<br>
> *Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA*<br>
> Library Database and Catalogue Specialist<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:25:29 +0000<br>
From: "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie@FOLGER.edu><br>
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Ditto. A very blunt rule of thumb off the top of my head is that if it doesn't have government main entry, it's probably not a government publication. As Jessie says, privileges and imprimaturs mean something else.<br>
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Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was published by or for the government. If memory serves
the Oxford Companion to the Book has entries on privileges and censorship.<br>
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Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even produced by and for non-Christians).<br>
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Regards,<br>
Jessie<br>
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <<a href="mailto:melissa@osgf.org" target="_blank">melissa@osgf.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:melissa@osgf.org" target="_blank">melissa@osgf.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
Hi,<br>
I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation & Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by request of the royal leadership or government?
It would seem that nearly everything would be deemed a government publication during certain epochs, sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.<br>
Thank you for your intelligence on this.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA<br>
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