<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to clarify that the word "spelling" in Eric's first phrase is implied in the second: rare book cataloging rules transcribe the <i>spelling </i>as it appears in the title of the item. It's the fact that the rules also require converting the title into Sentence case, regardless of how the letters appear on the page, that causes trouble (unless you follow the option to retain capitalization as in the source, which can cause other kinds of trouble, including that it looks like the catalog records are shouting at you).<div><br></div><div>Erin.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">______________________<br></span></a><a name="SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Erin Blake, Ph.D.  |  Senior Cataloger  |  Folger
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:42 PM Eric Holzenberg <<a href="mailto:ejh@grolierclub.org">ejh@grolierclub.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You are quite correct regarding modern French spelling; but international cataloging rules for rare books require transcription of titles in ancient books AS THEY APPEAR on
 title page, not as they might appear in modern books. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"High Tower Text",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Eric  Holzenberg</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mo Khamouna<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2021 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] question about transcription of uncial font<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Gentium Basic"">Hello Nina;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Gentium Basic"">Just I want to draw your attention to a couple things in French:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Transcription: Les oeuures morales de Plutarque / translatees de grec en françois, reueues et corrigees en plusieurs passages par le translateur </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Les oeuures  <span style="color:red">
should be   </span>Oeu</span><b><span style="font-size:16pt;color:red">v</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt">res                         /    translates
<span style="color:red">should be  </span><b>traduit    /</b> en françois,   Franc</span><b><span style="font-size:16pt;color:red">a</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt">is  /  reueues    re</span><b><span style="font-size:16pt;color:red">v</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt">ues 
 / le translateur    <b>traducteur.</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">If you need to make the French spellings@</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Gentium Basic""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider, Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] question about transcription of uncial font<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks, Matthew. This makes sense and very similar to Jessie’s suggestion too . I appreciate the advice!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Have a good one!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Nina<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> DCRM-L [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew C. Haugen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] question about transcription of uncial font<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My vote would be to normalize capitalization of a single-case font like this, providing caps in the expected positions, as I would for something printed in all capitals in a roman typeface, or when romanizing a script that doesn't indicate
 case, like Hebrew. DCRM(B) 0G2 doesn't cover this situation exactly but seems close: Convert letters to uppercase or lowercase according to the rules for capitalization in AACR2, Appendix A. I think an explanatory note would be helpful but I don't think brackets
 are necessary. It appears that this modern font differentiates I/J and U/V and W letterforms so that usual wrinkle in case conversion shouldn't be an issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LES OEVVRES MORALES DE PLVTARQVE, TRANSLATEES DE GREC EN FRANÇOIS, REVEVES ET corrigees en plusieurs passages par le translateur <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Transcription: Les oeuures morales de Plutarque / translatees de grec en françois, reueues et corrigees en plusieurs passages par le translateur <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 2:57 PM Schneider, Nina <<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu" target="_blank">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m working on a bibliography and would like to transcribe the title. It is printed in Samson uncial (as is all the text in the book), and has no upper- or lower-case letters
 (or font size changes that allow a best guess).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Although it’s a modern font (designed by Victor Hammer, cut by Rudolf Koch’s son), this is the first time I’ve tried to transcribe uncial and I’m stumped. There’s no guidance
 in DCRM(B) or in McKerrow, etc. AMREM says to use the capitalization rules in AACR2R (app. A) for capitalization.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m torn between three choices for transcription: all caps, all lowercase, or caps in the expected positions but enclosed in square brackets. An explanation of the font will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thank you!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Rare Book Cataloger | Columbia University Libraries<br>
<a href="mailto:matthew.haugen@columbia.edu" target="_blank">matthew.haugen@columbia.edu</a> | 212-851-2451 | he/him/his<u></u><u></u></p>
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