<div dir="ltr">Christine, I've been working on a bibliography project with non-cataloguers. It's interesting to see where the needs of these specialized scholars intersect with some of the cataloguing standards that we use. I can't commit to anything right, but I'd like to see programming across disciplines, that is : cataloguers working with non-cataloguers.<div><br></div><div>Estelle</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:44 AM Rich, Allison <<a href="mailto:allison_rich@brown.edu">allison_rich@brown.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">Christine:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">I completely agree.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">You make very good points.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">We've been struggling for a little under 20 years with administrators who focused outwardly because it brings glory to the library and to them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">Cataloguing / Tech services is not "sexy" to a lot of these outwardly focused people. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif">We know it's vital.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:39 AM Christine Megowan <<a href="mailto:cmegowan@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmegowan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Relating to what Alison said about demsytifying rare materials cataloging, one topic which has been on my mind a lot recently is how to advocate for catalogers and cataloging. <div><br></div><div>When we do our work well, it becomes almost invisible as users are able to find the resources they need without difficulty. If I may be allowed to make a sweeping generalization, our profession also tends to attract people who are on the introverted side and may not be entirely comfortable in the limelight. So, what sorts of PR skills can we pick up to raise awareness and understanding of what we do and how it underpins the more glamorous (to administrators, at least) work of our colleagues in public services?</div><div><br></div><div>-Christine</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a name="m_-6174304813655375407_m_-6520853353723012592__MailAutoSig"> </a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear colleagues,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Program Planning Group of the RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee is investigating the possibility of offering webinars on topics related to rare materials cataloging. We
are still in the early planning stages and are seeking input from the rare materials cataloging community. Right now, some of the topics we’re considering include:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Cataloging realia<u></u><u></u></li><li>
Cataloging graphic novels<u></u><u></u></li><li>
Tools to make working from home easier (including OpenRefine and MarcEdit)<u></u><u></u></li><li>
Conversations between catalogers and non-catalogers<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are especially interested in hearing if these topics would be of interest to you, if there are additional topics we should consider, and any tools you might like to see covered
in addition to OpenRefine and MarcEdit. If you’re proposing an additional topics, suggestions for presenters would be welcome but not required.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!
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<p class="MsoNormal">Elizabeth.<u></u><u></u></p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>********************************<br>"Outside of a dog, <br>a book is probably man's best friend,<br>and inside of a dog, <br>it's too dark to read. <br>- Groucho Marx"<br><br>Allison Rich</div><div><span>Rare Materials Cataloguer <br></span><span><span><pre>ESTC and NACO Coordinator<br></pre></span></span></div><div>John Carter Brown Library<br>Providence, Rhode Island<br><a href="mailto:Allison_Rich@brown.edu" target="_blank">Allison_Rich@brown.edu</a><br>******************************** <br><br></div></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>********************************<br>"Outside of a dog, <br>a book is probably man's best friend,<br>and inside of a dog, <br>it's too dark to read. <br>- Groucho Marx"<br><br>Allison Rich</div><div><span>Rare Materials Cataloguer <br></span><span><span><pre>ESTC and NACO Coordinator<br></pre></span></span></div><div>John Carter Brown Library<br>Providence, Rhode Island<br><a href="mailto:Allison_Rich@brown.edu" target="_blank">Allison_Rich@brown.edu</a><br>******************************** <br><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Estelle<br><div>she/hers</div></div></div>