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<p>Iris,</p>
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<p>Your suggestions are good overall. There is an exception, though. The "c" with a cedilla does occur in Spanish (Castilian) as late as the mid-18th century. An example from 1589:</p>
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<p><span style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin"></span><span class="subfieldData">Nos los Inquisidores, contra la heretica pravedad y apostia en la ciudad y Reyno de Toledo; Obispado de Siguença [modern Sig</span><span style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">üenza]
</span><span class="subfieldData">y en los lugares de los Obispados de Avila y Segovia ... / Dn. Lope de Mendoça [modern Mendoza]</span><br>
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<p>Another example from 1724:</p>
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<p><span class="fieldLabelSpan"></span><span class="subfieldData">Nos el Maestro D. Fr. Joseph Lanciego, y Eguilaz, monje del gran padre San Benito, por la Divina gracia, y de la Santa Sede, Arçobispo [modern Arzobispo] e la Santa Iglesia Metropolitana de
Mexico, y su Arçobispado del Consejo de Su Magestad, &c</span>.</p>
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<p>All best,</p>
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<p>Felicia<br>
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<div>Felicia Piscitelli, M.M., M.L.S.<br>
Associate Professor<br>
Rare Book and Special Collections Cataloger and Italian Resources Librarian <br>
Cushing Memorial Library & Archives <br>
Texas A&M University<br>
f-piscitelli@library.tamu.edu<br>
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5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843<br>
Tel. 979-458-7880 or 979-845-1951<br>
Fax: 979-845-6238<br>
http://library.tamu.edu <br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> on behalf of O'Brien, Iris <Iris.OBrien@bl.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 3, 2021 7:05:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Clues for distinguishing between 16th- and 17th-century Portuguese vs. Spanish?</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Erin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I suspect the assumption that if something was printed in Spain, it has to be in Spanish might be more likely than the assumption that
something that was printed in Portugal (e.g. Coimbra) has to be in Portuguese as I found at least one record in your catalogue for a book printed in Coimbra that is in Spanish (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://hamnet.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=75489__;!!KwNVnqRv!Ug4qFsjeEzIoOUXJpVD6Pq7MGNGNlXL6Q65IrTiSPByOFuQJiVWrNSGzvvUVPgIz8VZb6XFiIQ0$">http://hamnet.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=75489</a>).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It might be easier to look at language markers instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If any of the following words or graphemes appear, the book is in Portuguese:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">em (= in) [used before places; e.g. em Coimbra; em casa de)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">na (=at) [e.g. na officina de]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">ç (e.g. as in “licença”) (also used in French, of course, so this is not a marker for Portuguese by itself but only if the question is
between Portuguese or Spanish) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">universidad<b>e
</b>(=university)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If any of the following words or graphemes appear, the book is in Spanish:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">En (=in) [used before places; e.g. en Madrid; en la casa de)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">ñ (e.g. as in “año”)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">universidad (=university)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Portuguese uses other graphemes that are not normally used in modern Spanish, e.g. ã, õ, ê, ô. However, the first two might have been used
in an early printed Spanish text as symbols of contraction, so they are not very reliable if you don’t know the language you are trying to identify and I’m not sure whether early printed Portuguese texts would have used the latter two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Iris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Iris O'Brien
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Early Printed Collections Cataloguing and Processing Manager</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The British Library</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">St Pancras</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">96 Euston Road</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">London</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">NW1 2DB</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Tel.: +44 (0)20 7412 7731
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">E-mail:
<a href="mailto:iris.obrien@bl.uk"><span style="color:#0563C1">iris.obrien@bl.uk</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 March 2021 22:49<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Clues for distinguishing between 16th- and 17th-century Portuguese vs. Spanish?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FWIW, I took a sample of 300 "Spanish or Portuguese?" and found the following places (all imprints are pre-1800):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Belgium:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Antwerp <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1">
Brussels <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">France:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Perpignan <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Netherlands:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Amsterdam <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Portugal:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Coimbra <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4">
Lisbon<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spain (none are in Galicia, as far as I know):<o:p></o:p></p>
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Alcalá de Henares <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Barcelona <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Cadiz <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Cordoba<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Huesca <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Lleida <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Madrid <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Málaga <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Mallorca <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Múrcia<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Pamplona <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Salamanca <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Segovia <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Seville<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Toledo <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Tortosa<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Valencia <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Valladolid <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Zaragoza <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Piscitelli, Felicia A <<a href="mailto:f-piscitelli@library.tamu.edu">f-piscitelli@library.tamu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Caveat: I work a lot with early Spanish-language imprints, especially colonial-era Mexico, but very rarely with Portuguese. So I’m basing my comments on what
I know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I don’t know how much was published or printed in the province of Galicia during those centuries, but Galician would look more like Portuguese than Spanish, even
though that province is part of (present-day) Spain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Your hunch that that anything Iberian-looking from the Spanish Netherlands is probably Spanish, is probably correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Google Translate has its uses, but (IMHO) one should always take it with a pinch of salt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I hope this helps somewhat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Felicia Piscitelli, M.M., M.L.S.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Associate Professor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Texas A&M University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Tel. 979-458-7880 or 979-845-1951<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2021 3:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Clues for distinguishing between 16th- and 17th-century Portuguese vs. Spanish?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I'm seeking advice from catalogers experienced with early Portuguese and Spanish imprints....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Our OPAC has a large set of "preliminary records" where the language coding is incorrect. These won't be shared outside our OPAC, and all have an <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gbr01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Ffolgerpedia.folger.edu*2FAdvisory_statements__*3B!!KwNVnqRv!Wa4h7keffTHBnzhTHonkgc7T3TtyzGOMbkxlQVEOr0LzhB54tw9-JSeE_Y4kle4ODNmj6zMlbr8*24&data=04*7C01*7C*7Cd3068df8e98a425aea4908d8ddcd8532*7C21a44cb7f9c34f009afabd1e8e88bcd9*7C0*7C0*7C637503222072664030*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=pED5B1qnF*2Fx6yX36CD5enkF4RLr8hjA0a74eOQU8Bb4*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KwNVnqRv!Ug4qFsjeEzIoOUXJpVD6Pq7MGNGNlXL6Q65IrTiSPByOFuQJiVWrNSGzvvUVPgIz8VZbu3Qbj2Y$" target="_blank">Advisory
statement</a> warning that they're not to be trusted, so the stakes are very low. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">We're looking for a way that non-experts can make the language coding "reasonably okay".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Options include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Assume everything in an Iberian language is in Spanish if published in what's now modern Spain, and Portuguese if published in what's now modern Portugal.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span lang="EN-US">Use Google translate, even though it has a modern bias, in the hope that it's mostly okay for Spanish vs. Portuguese. [NB. this is how we discovered the problem in the first place: someone using Google Translate coded a whole bunch of 16th-
and 17th-century Dutch as "Afrikaans".]<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span lang="EN-US">Code them all "Undetermined language", even though they're already narrowed down to "almost certainly Spanish or Portuguese"?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Also, is it unreasonably dangerous to code anything Spanish-looking that was published in the Spanish Netherlands (almost always Antwerp) as "Spanish"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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